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Now that the whole gun debate is calming down, I have one thing to ask of all my pro-gun right friends here - A plea of sorts. Note this may only apply to those of us with facebook accounts :smile::

Please don't alienate those people in the midst of a public debate with "silly" semantics. We all know exactly what a non-gun person means when they say clip. Stating they don't know what they are talking about because they mistakenly use the term clip instead of mag is below us I would figure.

Here is my reasoning:

I am a trained economist. Interestingly, it seems everyone has an interpretation as to what communism, socialism, capitalism, debt, bla, bla, bla... is. The list is truly extensive - most interpretations are wrong. Though at times I would love to scream and disregard everything some people say because they got a term wrong, I don't. I know what they mean, and it's my job to aid them in their thinking as a trained economist.

Too just illustrate how silly it really is - the other night I saw a celebrated Vietnam Vet interviewed on t.v. continually state how his M16's clips this, and how his M16's clips that... surely we aren't going to disregard this mans views on firearms because he can't figure out what a clip vs. a mag is. Are we?

The gun debate has enough merit on its own that we don't need to alienate people by calling them fools for getting some terms wrong "I" say. Lets be stewards of this great sport and aid those who are ignorant rather than bellow over semantics. I think it does more harm than good.

Thanks for letting me vent gents - getting off soap-box now lol. Have at it - am I right or wrong?
 

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It's never inappropriate to strive to be correct and to educate oneself along the way.

America likes to be dumbed-down these days.
 

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I refuse to be brought down to "their" level. When they make a mistake like clip vs mag, one needs to correct them (it can be done nicely). Being a teacher in my past, I spend the time to explain the differences in what "they" want as gun control freaks and what they need to know to be objective, not subjective. By being knowledgeable makes more believers and or makes those anti's at least read what I have to say. If I allowed them to print clip when it should be mag, I am feeding the beast.
 
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I agree to a point. However, if someone is going to debate about something as important as our right to bear arms, their ignorance of the subject in question only distracts us from their argument. Like when people (BO) talk about their support of the second amendment, yet can't justify civilians being armed with scarry looking semi-automatic weapons because it would be overkill for "hunting". Really? My Second Amendment says nothing about hunting!
I relinquish the remainder of my "soap box" time now...
 
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I refuse to be brought down to "their" level. When they make a mistake like clip vs mag, one needs to correct them (it can be done nicely). Being a teacher in my past, I spend the time to explain the differences in what "they" want as gun control freaks and what they need to know to be objective, not subjective. By being knowledgeable makes more believers and or makes those anti's at least read what I have to say. If I allowed them to print clip when it should be mag, I am feeding the beast.
I think the point being missed is the educated, informed, voter is not the one we need to convert to our side. Everyone has a general idea what is being talked about with either term; your pointing out your superior knowledge by taking the time to correct such a simple and unimportant mistake takes away from time better utilized to educate the uninformed about the important issues.

The OP was making a point that is being ignored. Don't scare away someone willing to listen by making them feel that they will be embarrassed by using the wrong terminology. The way to win them to your side is make them feel like what they say will be a productive part of the discussion. Filling the discussion with pointless corrections over technical terms is a waste of time and could cause them to keep walking rather than listen to your side so they can make a better informed decision.
 

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Good post. That kind of thinking doesn't work around here though.
 
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Owing a clip fed handgun I sometimes let that one slide but when someone refers to a so-called I will inform them that it is just a “normal” capacity magazine. The same goes for “assault” weapons, they will be corrected that true “assault” weapons are selective fire weapons that are quite expensive to own.

Oh and this is a clip fed handgun. 761px-Mauser_C96_M1916_Red_4[1].jpg
 

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Sure wish I had that pistol, msgt/ret. That's a classy way to do 9mm.
 

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Owing a clip fed handgun I sometimes let that one slide but when someone refers to a so-called I will inform them that it is just a “normal” capacity magazine. The same goes for “assault” weapons, they will be corrected that true “assault” weapons are selective fire weapons that are quite expensive to own.

Oh and this is a clip fed handgun. View attachment 70990
I would just like to find some of that ammo to fill my "clips"
 

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Now that the whole gun debate is calming down, I have one thing to ask of all my pro-gun right friends here - A plea of sorts. Note this may only apply to those of us with facebook accounts :smile::

Please don't alienate those people in the midst of a public debate with "silly" semantics. We all know exactly what a non-gun person means when they say clip. Stating they don't know what they are talking about because they mistakenly use the term clip instead of mag is below us I would figure.

Here is my reasoning:

I am a trained economist. Interestingly, it seems everyone has an interpretation as to what communism, socialism, capitalism, debt, bla, bla, bla... is. The list is truly extensive - most interpretations are wrong. Though at times I would love to scream and disregard everything some people say because they got a term wrong, I don't. I know what they mean, and it's my job to aid them in their thinking as a trained economist.

Too just illustrate how silly it really is - the other night I saw a celebrated Vietnam Vet interviewed on t.v. continually state how his M16's clips this, and how his M16's clips that... surely we aren't going to disregard this mans views on firearms because he can't figure out what a clip vs. a mag is. Are we?

The gun debate has enough merit on its own that we don't need to alienate people by calling them fools for getting some terms wrong "I" say. Lets be stewards of this great sport and aid those who are ignorant rather than bellow over semantics. I think it does more harm than good.

Thanks for letting me vent gents - getting off soap-box now lol. Have at it - am I right or wrong?


Good subject/comment, however, anyone who cannot take good constructive correction in any subject he is trying to discuss is the loser. He is stating he knows all he needs to know and should not be receptive to learning something new. In you analysis of the terms communism, socialism, capitalism, etc., if I werre using the descriptions incorrrectly, I would want someone to give the correct information. In other words,
if one cannot learn new knowledge, then quit debating.

Further, in you description of the Vietnam veteran using the term clip doesn't mean a thing. Many military veterans know little of firearms. Why ?
Because not all military veterans were combat arms or even saw combat.
 

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The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their correct names.
~ Chinese Proverb.
I have to disagree with the Chinese over this.

The beginning of wisdom is to answer "I don't know".

You will notice: I didn't say "you don't know".
 

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If you can tell me the difference between a tax deduction, tax exemption, and a tax credit, you can call the little bullet holder anything you want.

....until then, its a freaking MAGAZINE, not a CLIP.

...a friendly public service announcement brought to you by the American Institute of Certified Public Accountants (the views of the poster do
not in anyway represent the views of the AICPA and he will probably lose his membership for this post)
 

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The gun debate has enough merit on its own that we don't need to alienate people by calling them fools for getting some terms wrong "I" say. Lets be stewards of this great sport and aid those who are ignorant rather than bellow over semantics. I think it does more harm than good.
You'll note that I never stated that we should leave people uneducated. We need to be spokespeople - but the blatant disregard and outright hostility shown to people who know nothing or little about guns, but wanted too who simply made the mistake of talking about capacity in terms of clips rather than mags, was over the top aggressive. Again ymmv :).

Good subject/comment, however, anyone who cannot take good constructive correction in any subject he is trying to discuss is the loser. He is stating he knows all he needs to know and should not be receptive to learning something new. In you analysis of the terms communism, socialism, capitalism, etc., if I werre using the descriptions incorrrectly, I would want someone to give the correct information. In other words,
if one cannot learn new knowledge, then quit debating.

Further, in you description of the Vietnam veteran using the term clip doesn't mean a thing. Many military veterans know little of firearms. Why ?
Because not all military veterans were combat arms or even saw combat.
Thank you for your input! Please allow me to use your post to clear up my take a little more as you have good points.

Take my word for it that I try to explain the meanings of the terms people throw around that bear no resemblance to their true meaning in econ to fear monger or what have you. As a professional I believe it is a responsibility. Just like I feel it our responsibility as representatives of this great sport not to jump on people who get the terms wrong that could impact thinking incorrectly.

As for the Vet I would say "in my world" you are 100% wrong. Like I said, he was celebrated or rather distinguished (good example right there lol) - distinguished because of his heroism in the face of the enemy. Maybe i should have pointed that out. Anyway, this man knows what it means to be afraid and have a weapon at your disposal. I for one want very much to know what he feels regarding the issue. Way more than a man say... who avoided the draft because of mental deficiency's (if you know who I mean lol)!
 

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I think we have bigger issues right now to concern ourselves with..... On the bottom of the list is the misuse of the term clip by anti gun folks...... Just saying
 
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You can use a clip to charge a removable magazine with more rounds.
 
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If you can tell me the difference between a tax deduction, tax exemption, and a tax credit, you can call the little bullet holder anything you want.

....until then, its a freaking MAGAZINE, not a CLIP.

...a friendly public service announcement brought to you by the American Institute of Certified Public Accountants (the views of the poster do
not in anyway represent the views of the AICPA and he will probably lose his membership for this post)
That's too easy lol!

Tax Deduction - my dependents
Tax Exemption - My co is a 501(c)(3)
Tax Credit - my property taxes

Do I get to call them clips lol?? :smile:
 

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Please don't alienate those people in the midst of a public debate with "silly" semantics. Stating they don't know what they are talking about because they mistakenly use the term ...
Applies to any discussion and debate.

But, here's the thing: destruction of the Constitution is high stakes. Defining the debate in terms of truth instead of falsehoods is crucial to getting the point across. In situations where, say, the argument for a gun grab is the evil nature of "the thing that goes up" or the "shroud," then it's important to dispel the myth and restate the argument in terms of what's true. Simple terminology goofs are one thing (ie, clips vs mags). But when false claims are placed as the foundations for a Constitution-destroying argument in the debate, IMO that's where we've got to draw the line.
 

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^^^^^^^^^^^^What He Said!^^^^^^^^^^

An excellent and useful distinction and guideline.
 
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