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Never heard of em before. I tend to trust bigger name companies with my firearm needs.
 

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To be honest - I was not even aware of these.

That in itself tho would not be a reason for me to assume they were no good - thinking very much of something like Bersa (bigger name I admit) but guns that turn out to be great value and maybe under rated too.

A ''hands on'' appraisal would be interesting, just to check one out.


 

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Never heard of them either. Might have to go see if one my local shops has one on hand to paw. :biggrin:
 

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The Patriot will either be a complete POS or one of the most dependable guns you ever had. But it will always be one or the other - there is NO way to switch from bad to good, and a good one will last longer than the proverbial Timex.

I had one that ended up meeting a large hammer and oxy-acetelene torch. The hammer put it out of its misery and the torch made sure whatever it came back to life as would resemble a puddle of slag more than a gun.

The one I still have works every time. Mostly it sits in the throne room because it seems impossible to rust/corrode, and no, I'm not paranoid, just prudent. It gets out to the range about every 90 days just for a "real" excuse to get a cleaning, and goes thru a box of whatever FMJ the range is making me buy, plus 2 magazines of GDHP. (Shh! I'm really not supposed to do that, but ....)

The Patriot is right on the fence between what I call a cheap gun and what I call an inexpensive gun. Cheap guns are just that. Inexpensive guns can be a POS or a keeper, depending on the time of day & day of the week when the various parts were put together. (Seems I've heard that about cars, too.)

stay safe.

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I think I remember seeing them at an NRA annunal meeting years ago when it was in Charlotte, NC. I remember them being very bulky. They were also very inexpensive, which usually worries me. I would rather pay twice was much and have a reliable gun than have two cheap guns that "might" work.
 

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I think I remember seeing them at an NRA annunal meeting years ago when it was in Charlotte, NC. I remember them being very bulky. They were also very inexpensive, which usually worries me. I would rather pay twice was much and have a reliable gun than have two cheap guns that "might" work.
Its anything but bulky @ 1 inch wide and barrel length of 3.3 inches..
I never had problems from mine, but then again Ive only put an estimated 200rds thru it.
 

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We had used one in the store, and it sold for short money. That was 2 months ago, and it hasn't returned for repair. It looked like a Springer XD without the grip safety.....felt pretty good, but still looked like and economy type gun..
 

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First time ever hearing of them too. I am alergic to plastic anyways! :wink:
 

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Cobra Patriot ~ Information & Specs.

Cobra Enterprises: Good Guns - Good Prices
The concealed and carry market is good. Many customers are looking for a medium sized .45 in stainless and/or polymer. Cobra has the right product, their Patriot .45 is only 20 oz empty, 6 inches overall length and has a stainless steel slide with a polymer frame.

The Patriot .45 pistol was designed by well known and respected Israeli handgun Nehemia Sirkis. The DAO trigger action is continuous with no reset. The new 2004 Patriots have a reduced trigger pull. Many conceal carry customers, and law enforcement officers, like this feature because it simplifies the mental process in a possible gunfight.

The large sized rails for the stainless steel slide are integral with the frame and there are no steel allow inserts. To reduce the possibility of hanging up on any clothing the striker block is internal and the outside of the gun is very clean. The Patriot carries 7 rounds of .45 in a cut down 1911 magazine. The gun is only one inch wide and is very simple and reliable. The felt recoil for a smaller .45 is not unpleasant. The most pleasant part of the Patriot is the price, only $316 suggested retail.

Sales on the .45 have been excellent and the Cobra is increasing production on this model. Business in 2004 at this point is up about 11% over 2003. Mr. Doug Skillman of Cobra said the size of orders is going up for 2004. Cobra sells through distributors and is in about 24 distributor locations.

Cobra also has a line of Derringers that are close copies of the 1840s guns made by Philadelphia gunsmith Henry Deringer. Someplace along the line Henry's name was misspelled with two r's and the misspelling held.

As you might guess, being close copies of the original they are very popular with the Cowboy Action customers. The Cobra Derringers come in .22 LR, .22 mag., .25, .32, .32 H&R, .38 Special, and 9mm. Suggested retail prices are between $112 and $136.

Derringers have been good self defense carry guns for 150 years and they still work, and they still sell. Dealers should also take a look at Cobra's line of black fabric holsters that come with belt clips and are designed for conceal and carry.

Cobra Enterprises single action pistols, their Freedom Series, has shown steady popularity with dealers. They are available in both .32 ACP and .380 ACP calibers. The Model CA380 has a 5-round capacity magazine and comes in three finishes, bright chrome, satin nickel, and black. The larger FS model has a 7-round magazine and fits larger hands than the CA Model. Both Freedom series are well priced to be affordable and at the same time provide excellent profitability potential.
 

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Thx QK - that fills a big info gap :smile:
 

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User Web Review

LINK TO COBRA ENTERPRISES CLICK HERE

Info on the web seems to range from negative to very positive depending on if the buyer got a good gun or a bad one. So...if you have one and it works then it's a solid, straightforward pistol design & should serve you well. Here is one positive user review. The Patriot was originally made by Republic Arms.
Make: Republic Arms Model: Patriot Action: Double Action Caliber: .45 ACP
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Review: Civilians possessing a permit to carry a concealed pistol or revolver share a common need for a reliable, accurate handgun with just the right combination of cabiber effectiveness and concealability of the weapon used to deliver the shots.

The Republic Arms Patriot .45 came into my life shortly after I obtained my concealed carry permit. After having carried it in a concealed manner every day and after having fired over 1000 rounds through it at the firing range, I have found this gun to be an excellent fulfillment of this need.

The Republic Arms Patriot .45 is now being manufactured by Cobra Enterprises and at this writing, comes in two slide finishes, a brushed stainless and a black melonite. The frame is made of a very strong polymer which is able to withstand extensive firing without any noticable wear to the frame or slide rails.

The action is double action only and the trigger pull is long and stiff but after breaking in, the pull is significantly smoothed out, making any after market modification of the trigger pull unnecessary.
The front of the trigger does have deep ridges which caused a little blister on my trigger finger when I first tried the gun. Light sanding of the front of the trigger with fine emery cloth quickly took care of that.

The Patriot weighs 20 oz. unloaded and the factory magazines hold six rounds with seven round capacity magazines available. It will also accept magazines made for a full sized M1911.
It does not have a slide stop/release lever. However this aspect makes the gun very flat, sleek and easy to carry and conceal.

Of course, it has a second strike capability so that if one needed to pull the second time on an undetonated cartridge, the trigger does not need to be reset by movement of the slide.

The Patriot is designed to reliably feed hollow point ammo so that one's favorite .45 acp carry load should feel right at home in this pistol.

The recoil of such an effective cartridge is mitigated by the superb ergonomics of the grip. It is not unpleasant even according to a few small framed women whom I know to have tried it.

There is an integral finger groove at just the right angle for most shooters and the grip is long and narrow, avoiding the dangling pinkie syndrome so common to small handguns.

With a little practice, one can expect consistent X ring hits at ten yards.
It's not a target pistol but, it will do what it was designed for and that is self defense for law abiding citizens.

Carry options are many as it will fit well in holsters made for the Glock 26 or 27.
The Patriot .45 was designed by Israeli gun designer Nehemiah Sirkis and is simple, reliable, tough and inexpensive, retailing for under $300.00.
 

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There are certain guns which straddle that barrier between cheap and inexpensive that work well for some people but most just don't care for.

I for instance have had good luck with Rossi products, which I consider to be at that sweet spot of inexpensive but not complete junk. Even at that I'll acknowledge that I have experienced much better guns for just a little bit more money.

Everyone has a favorite cheap gun that most other people don't care for. Some of these guns become downright famous in their own right. A beloved niche gun I can think of is the Charter Arms Undercover Special, and there's a whole cult of personality around the Makarov.

I honestly bet this gun actually work. The basic design has been done over and over again so many times it's not surprising someone has figured out a way to make it on the cheap. It's an old low pressure cartridge in a single stack magazine with a simplified mechanism.

Personally, I'm not about to rush out and get one and for my money I can think of better ways to spend it. But I'm not about to crap all over it. Heck I kind of want an old Charter Arms Bulldog and I know that's not exactly the top of the line. I wouldn't blame anybody for not wanting one.

I'll let the market decide if it's a good product or not. I'd like one in another caliber if the basic design pans out okay.
 

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Hey guys, look at the link to the mfg's site given in QKshooters post and check out the derringers they make. They have derringers in 9mm, .38, .45 even have one that has a longer barrel.

Not sure of the quality and I've never had a derringer but they looked good. Also how safe are derringer? I mean if the hammers over a loaded chamber...Are they as decent as my regular revolvers as far as safety goes?

Anyway I wondered what you all might think of the derringers they offer....
Thanks

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We had one at the shop on a custom order.

Fit and finish, lousy. Trigger, dismal.

It's a step below Kel-tec.
 

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Gunner said:
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Just bumping the topic, so its easy to find when I do a range report
Gunner, do you have the 9mm or just the .45? I was looking at buying the 9mm if it is reliable. Not alot of info out there on them. Can't wait for the range report.
 

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They kinda look like that new Wilson Combat cheap carry gun that they are comeing out with this year.
 

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I promise you they are NOT even in the same league as the new Wilson plastic pistol. I almost bought a Patriot before choosing the Taurus PT-145 Millennium Pro. Whew.....am I glad I had the opportunity to shoot a couple of the Patriots. One was marginally shootable. It only jammed 6 times in three mags. The other was absolutely worthless and after 38 rounds the slide tried to follow a bullet down range. It's really a shame, because I really liked the feel of the gun with it's moulded finger groove grip. I also had a great deal of difficulty keeping the mags in the guns. The latches or the mags themselves had something out of alignment or something in that area was just not correct.
On the other hand for about the same price I have one of the best, inexpensive pistols on the market.....at least in my opinion. My Taurus Millennium Pro has been flawless and I have really tried to make it give me some kind of problems. It takes a likkin and keeps on shootin!!!!
 
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