Colt Delta Elite Glock 29 or S&W 1066?

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CLASS3NH

Discussion Starter · Apr 19, 2005 (Edited)

Ok now
Most of you know how I operate.. wheelin and dealin for stuff I lust for <MMMMMMMM GUNSNNNS Homer Simson voice>
Now, I know where I can get my greedy little hands on a Colt Delta 10MM 98% finish, with tons of goodies, extra mag, and many extra parts <like the Lightweight Commander I bought a couple weeks ago>The delta is tagged for for 625.00. I also have a Glock 29 no frills gun, at the same dealer on hold, for 465.00. Also, there is a Smith 1066 with box, extra mag and such with night sights for 495.00 there as well. BTW.Smith only made 5000 model 1066's The trouble is, I can't take all three, soooooo I gotta decide. I've had a Delta when they first came out, and it shot well. I've held the Glock and it feels a bit strange to me. I've also fondled the Smith a couple of times whhile I was there, and it feels like a Smith LOL. I'm thinking on these terms in both a carry, shoot-em-up, and good price return on a trade someday gun. ALL 3 have the boxes extra mags etc. BTW the 1066 has been there for ages, and the Glock and Delta JUST came in.. Sooooooo what do you think?

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TAPS CCW

· #2 · Apr 19, 2005

If you have to have a 10mm, I'd stay with the Delta or Glock. Glocks are very depedable, dare I say more so than the Colt. But either will do you well. You may have to have some work on the Colt to make it 100% reliable. Never been a big fan of S&W autos they're too clunky. When it comes down to it, its what feels good to you. Good luck

F350

· #3 · Apr 19, 2005

Keep in mind that those steel framed 10mms have a bad tendency to crack, which is why the current loadings are reduced from the original ballistics. So if you are looking for return on investment, buy the Delta and shoot it very little, if you are more interested in a shooter go for the Glock.

Bumper

· #4 · Apr 20, 2005

I would lean toward the Delta Elite but, for the reasons that F350 just related would probably opt for the Glock. I have a S&W 5904, which is a good gun IMO but I just don't like S&W autos, SW1911 excepted.

RCR

· #5 · May 23, 2013

First post here and i am from the 10mm forum.
Both my Son and I own Glock 29's and I also own a S&W 1066 so I will chime in here.
First stay FAR away from the Colt Delta Elite if you intend to run full power 10mm loads. They have a serious lack of case support and are dangerous with hot 10mm loads. If you want a 1911 format look at say the Kimber but stay far away from the Colt unless you want to spend the $ on converting to a ramped barrel.
The Glock is reliable and a good shooter and makes a great high power carry pistol.
However the S&W 1066 is the one I will recommend without reservation here. That price is a solid deal and shooting the S&W and Glock regularly back to back as I do there is no comparison. The S&W will shoot rings around the Glock and is much more comfortable to shoot with hot loads of the 2. As far as reliability is concerned between the S&W 1066 and Glock 29 both have never ever one single time failed to feed and i have run several thousand full power 10mm rounds through both.
Here is back to back footage on the range running 1400 FPS Underwood 165 grain Gold dots in both.
Glock 29
Glock 29 on the Range - YouTube
S&W 1066
S&W 1066 first time on the range. - YouTube

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bmcgilvray

· #6 · May 23, 2013

That's a good, stout load for the 10mm as far as I can recall. That's a cartridge that could have had a "magnum" suffix attached to it.

G-man*

· #7 · May 23, 2013

bmcgilvray said:
That's a good, stout load for the 10mm as far as I can recall. That's a cartridge that could have had a "magnum" suffix attached to it.

Its probably the most versatile auto cartridge. I think its one you would enjoy playing with Bryan. A little Blue Dot, or 800x and a 180 weight bullet would be fun on those Texas whitetail:wink:

OP, I would love to have the DE, but for the versatility of switching to a 9x25 Dillon with just a barrel swap, my nod is to the Glock. The S&W would be good to, but I would be concerned about spare parts since they are no longer in production.

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bmcgilvray

· #8 · May 23, 2013

I know I would gman. I kinda like the .40 bore, both for handgun and rifle. My handguns are antique .40s, the .38-40 and the .41 Long Colt, both of which have .40 bores. Then there's a .405 Winchester rifle around here.

I'll be the OP found us on an internet search which led him to this antique thread from 2005. No matter. He got here as fast as he could.

Welcome, RCR!

RCR

· #9 · May 23, 2013

bmcgilvray said:
I know I would gman. I kinda like the .40 bore, both for handgun and rifle. My handguns are antique .40s, the .38-40 and the .41 Long Colt, both of which have .40 bores. Then there's a .405 Winchester rifle around here.

I'll be the OP found us on an internet search which led him to this antique thread from 2005. No matter. He got here as fast as he could.

Welcome, RCR!

Right you are on the search and finding the forum but I should have noticed the date. Thanks for the welcome.

zamboni

· #10 · May 23, 2013

Can never go wrong on ah Glock. Lots of accessorizes available. And the g29 houses the g20 mags too.

RCR

· #11 · May 23, 2013

glockman10mm said:
Its probably the most versatile auto cartridge. I think its one you would enjoy playing with Bryan. A little Blue Dot, or 800x and a 180 weight bullet would be fun on those Texas whitetail:wink:

OP, I would love to have the DE, but for the versatility of switching to a 9x25 Dillon with just a barrel swap, my nod is to the Glock. The S&W would be good to, but I would be concerned about spare parts since they are no longer in production.

The Colt is down right dangerous to shoot full power 10mm in as the rear of your case is not supported like it is in the S&W or in a Glock and can blow out. Underwood actually has a delta soft load and warns against running their regular 10mm loads in a Delta.
What is a shocker is running hot 10 mm back to back in the Glock and the S&W. The difference in felt recoil is very noticeable and the S&W shoots so much smoother! I still carry my Glock more mostly because it's more common and my S&W is SO pristine and relatively rare.

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GhostMaker

· #12 · May 23, 2013

glockman10mm said:
Its probably the most versatile auto cartridge. I think its one you would enjoy playing with Bryan. A little Blue Dot, or 800x and a 180 weight bullet would be fun on those Texas whitetail:wink:

OP, I would love to have the DE, but for the versatility of switching to a 9x25 Dillon with just a barrel swap, my nod is to the Glock. The S&W would be good to, but I would be concerned about spare parts since they are no longer in production.

I agree. Personally I believe Glock has a better platform for the 10mm cartridge than any other maker.

Mike1956

· #13 · May 23, 2013

I would not go with the Delta for reasons already mentioned. I own a 1006, which I can and do carry IWB. It is probably one of my favorite pistols. I would not trade it even up for a Glock 10mm.

Rob99VMI04

· #14 · May 23, 2013

RCR said:
The Colt is down right dangerous to shoot full power 10mm in as the rear of your case is not supported like it is in the S&W or in a Glock and can blow out. Underwood actually has a delta soft load and warns against running their regular 10mm loads in a Delta.
What is a shocker is running hot 10 mm back to back in the Glock and the S&W. The difference in felt recoil is very noticeable and the S&W shoots so much smoother! I still carry my Glock more mostly because it's more common and my S&W is SO pristine and relatively rare.

I know Colt started Making the Delta's again, if its a newer Delta would it still have this problem? I would be shocked that Colt wouldn't have addressed this!

OD*

· #15 · May 23, 2013

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Rob99VMI04

· #16 · May 23, 2013

OD* said:

LOL WOW!!!! Guess I should have looked at the date.

RCR

· #17 · May 23, 2013

Rob99VMI04 said:
I know Colt started Making the Delta's again, if its a newer Delta would it still have this problem? I would be shocked that Colt wouldn't have addressed this!

I know they have reissued the Delta but the lack of support issues remain. I almost bought a Delta at one time as they look and feel fantastic + shoot very accurately. It's the lack of a ramped barrel in the Delta that is the issue and why Colt did not do what Kimber did and go to a ramped barrel on the 1911 10mm I can't understand but they didn't. They are ok as long as you are running the downloaded stuff you find on the shelf as 10mm today but real NORMA spec 10mm in a Delta is not recommended! If you take a round and drop it into the chamber with the barrel out on a Delta you quickly see that the entire underside of the rear of the case is unsupported. The Glock, Kimber, S&W, EAA and most other 10mm autos have a ramp barrel that fully support the case.
Check this out from Underwood ammo on the 10mm page!
Cannot be used in Colt Delta Elite or any other firearms with rampless barrel due to complete lack of case support.

Safe for use in all 10mm firearms with a ramped feed barrel.
(Examples: Glock, EAA Witness)
Underwood Ammo - 10mm Auto

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WHEC724

· #18 · May 23, 2013

OD* said:

But a worthy resurrection it is.

I love me some Glock. BUT - When you approach the horsepower of 10mm, the little G29 frame can be a little challenging to keep good groups with (my groups turn into patterns :-(. At the risk of having my man-card revoked, I'll say that this is one round that deserves a little weight with the gun. I have no doubt that guys like Gman can rip with it, but for us mere mortals, I think a good steel frame is a far better support platform.

G-man*

· #19 · May 23, 2013

WHEC724 said:
But a worthy resurrection it is.

I love me some Glock. BUT - When you approach the horsepower of 10mm, the little G29 frame can be a little challenging to keep good groups with (my groups turn into patterns :-(. At the risk of having my man-card revoked, I'll say that this is one round that deserves a little weight with the gun. I have no doubt that guys like Gman can rip with it, but for us mere mortals, I think a good steel frame is a far better support platform.

Whec, you would be suprised at well that Glock frame absorbs the recoil. With full power loads in the 180 weight range, my G29 doesnt feel anymore snappy than the G23. Of course its a little wider, which probably makes the difference.

WHEC724

· #20 · May 23, 2013

glockman10mm said:
Whec, you would be suprised at well that Glock frame absorbs the recoil. With full power loads in the 180 weight range, my G29 doesnt feel anymore snappy than the G23. Of course its a little wider, which probably makes the difference.

Yah, I think this might be the difference between the pros and the Joes. Back when I was looking for a hog gun, I ran a few boxes of Winchester silvertip through my G30 (basically a G29 frame), with the 10mm conversion barrel/recoil spring. The results were shameful. Even a wild hog deserves a better shot than that. The .357 Vaquero has since responsibly assumed that duty.

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