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BlueLion said:
First of all lets realize that we are all Americans and that we should be willing to take care of our own. Secondly, yes some communities can expect to be affected by the influx of people from different parts of the country. However, most of these people have nothing and displaced, most are sick and hungry and believe it or not most will miss home and have the desire to return to NOLA. I would not change my vigilance or awareness just because we have fellow Americans coming to your cities (I dare not call them refugees).

However do beaware of those who did not come from NOLA and may seek to get over on you with crocodile tears. Moreover, it is during these times when the wolves do come out and seek to influence and take advantage of the helpless. So, lets be vigilant and aware and willing to help, but at the same time lets not be afraid to defend if needed.

It is times like these that I miss my old unit and wish I was able to be down there helping out. Cleaning out the bad guys that are roaming NOLA taking shots at my brothers in arms. Anyway lets show the world why America is the Best in the World. :cool:
Thank you for that. I was hoping someone would get a handle on what's needed here. These are just american citizens who have just been through a tremendous ordeal.

A lot of people are giving the idea that NOLA is just a hotbed of crime because of the horrible things some thugs did to take advantage of the situation. This could be any major city in the US. All of our cities have seen riots and violence in the streets for one thing or another.

When calamity, of any kind, hits a major city riots and burning and looting take place.

Just thought I'd remind everyone

And CombatEffective, thank you for that warm letter from the front lines.
 

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One particularly horrendous tragedy was the rape and murder of a 7 year old girl. Just so you know there can still be some justice in the midst of chaos, the individual who committed this crime received "justice" when a witness pointed him out and a group of 30 men and women beat him to death. The police removed his body when the crowd was finished. :dead:

Hope they got the right guy. Hope the "witness" wasn't just some guy with a grudge.

I'm all for self defense, but this is no better than any of the other crimes that have been committed. In some future Armageddon scenario there may be a need to dispense justice without resorting to possibly nonexistant courts, but this isn't it. Just one more example of lawlessness.
 

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As per the source, the witness caught the BG in the act and pointed him out as he was trying to escape from the building. Reportedly, the witness first told the police, but they were simply overwhelmed and couldn't/wouldn't do anything to stop the BG. When the crowd tried to detain him, he became violent and they responded in kind. I suppose the crowds brand of justice seems harsh, but it was certainly no harsher than the acts he committed against the girl and maybe numerous others. FYI, the 7 y/o girl was strangled and then had her throat cut after the rape... one of many attacks that occurred during the "siege". An interesting side note is that after the incident, the attacks against women and children stopped almost immediately. I guess the sheep finally had enough and struck back in a language the wolves could understand. I don't normally agree with taking justice into your own hands, but this individual would have simply faded into the crowd if he hadn't been stopped and probably committed who knows how many more unspeakable acts. In a civilized society, the rule of law is the glue that holds us together. In the absence of rule and law, we do what is required to protect ourselves and our own, as cruel and harsh as it may seem to others who aren't there at the time. I don't necessarily condone it, but I can understand why it happens. BTW, for the people who spent the past week in the hell that New Orleans became, this WAS Armageddon! Their actions were no different than mine would be - and probably everyone who posts here - if I'd entered my home, found a stranger had murdered my wife or one of my children, attacked me when I tried to stop him and I put a bullet in his head. I don't think I'd get much argument or he much sympathy over the final outcome.
 

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Hope they got the right guy. Hope the "witness" wasn't just some guy with a grudge.

I'm all for self defense, but this is no better than any of the other crimes that have been committed. In some future Armageddon scenario there may be a need to dispense justice without resorting to possibly nonexistant courts, but this isn't it. Just one more example of lawlessness.
I agree that the potential for abuse is there, but if "Law" is God, there can be no moral judgements. Summary justice (I strongly feel) is appropriate. We have become so enamored of Law, that it no longer allows freedom for the law-abiding, but is a constraint to the citizen, and freedom for those who choose not to abide by its codes.
 

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I heard they were bringing some medical cases to South Florida, but I doubt NO people would like to stay at Hurricane Central. :smile:
Amen to that! I just got power back a week ago today. Now I hear TS OPHELIA is about to start dropping more rain on the Florida peninsula. I worry that the social breakdown that happened in NO could happen here; then I remember the aftermath of Hurricane Andrew when I was with the national guard and the guard worked closely with the unorganized militia (armed citizens patrolling neighborhoods) and the looting was held to a minimum. Usually they were transplanted Yankees who were antigun sheeple to start with. ~sigh~ Trauma TEACHES, I guess.
 

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I must admit, I was taken back by some of the coments made on the first page of this thread. Reference to those AMERICANS as, "those people, them, and refugee's" rather than Americans in a dire straight crises.

I realize that with anything good most always is an element of bad. However, the greatest percentage of this displaced group of Americans, as many as there is, is struggling to find any piece of life that existed only a week ago; plus desperately finding loved ones who were seperated by the storm. I feel sorry for any of you who think your neighborhood is SO special that you can not find a place in your heart to help your fellow Americans in a desprate time of need.

I extend an invitation to each of you to join me handing out food, water, MREs and share your time and compassion while listening to heart filled, "Thank You" from 'these people, them, ......" Although, I would not expect you to travel to our Gulf Coast to do so, although you would be welcomed, you - for yourself - can feel the expression of heart felt graditude by 'those people'.

I also submit for your consideration, 1. rather than spending additional money to purchase more ammo or to build machine gun nests around your nice and special home to protect yourself from 'them' - how about donating to a local or national organization to help. Hey, the more you help out, the sooner these Americans will leave your state and neighborhood to return to our Gulf Coast. 2. God forbid, those of you living in the North, East, Central, or Western sections of this great country will never experience loosing all you have in a matter of couple hours and have to be relocated to another section of the country. 3. And should this happen to you and your family, I promise this, this section of our country will give you and your family all the compassion, due repect and dignity by not refering to you as "those, them, or refugee"

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Trader - I think most folks do realize, even if after some reflection when things have settled very slightly - we are indeed seeing fellow Americans in dire straights.

We do have to try and separate the bad element from this - regretably that is the side many see first off, which I think provokes some gut reactions.
 

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looks like we will get some of the folks up here even. Camp Grayling isn't all that far off. Not sure how many they will get up this far, as the housing isn't all that big, and the weather will turn cold soon.
 

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Guys I just love it, I am truly in the company of good men and women here on Combat Carry.com You guys and gals give me hope that the good guys always run together regardless of color or culture for one cause, :cool: good ol USA.
 

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Gimme a Break!

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I must admit, I was taken back by some of the coments made on the first page of this thread. Reference to those AMERICANS as, "those people, them, and refugee's" rather than Americans in a dire straight crises.

I realize that with anything good most always is an element of bad. However, the greatest percentage of this displaced group of Americans, as many as there is, is struggling to find any piece of life that existed only a week ago; plus desperately finding loved ones who were seperated by the storm. I feel sorry for any of you who think your neighborhood is SO special that you can not find a place in your heart to help your fellow Americans in a desprate time of need.

I extend an invitation to each of you to join me handing out food, water, MREs and share your time and compassion while listening to heart filled, "Thank You" from 'these people, them, ......" Although, I would not expect you to travel to our Gulf Coast to do so, although you would be welcomed, you - for yourself - can feel the expression of heart felt graditude by 'those people'.

I also submit for your consideration, 1. rather than spending additional money to purchase more ammo or to build machine gun nests around your nice and special home to protect yourself from 'them' - how about donating to a local or national organization to help. Hey, the more you help out, the sooner these Americans will leave your state and neighborhood to return to our Gulf Coast. 2. God forbid, those of you living in the North, East, Central, or Western sections of this great country will never experience loosing all you have in a matter of couple hours and have to be relocated to another section of the country. 3. And should this happen to you and your family, I promise this, this section of our country will give you and your family all the compassion, due repect and dignity by not refering to you as "those, them, or refugee"

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Trader, I'm not so sure I appreciate the smarmy tone of your post and it's holier than thou underscore. I live in HURRICANE central. I've been through six storms including Katrina and Andrew (which formerly held the title of worst in history) and five others. I sent my goods thru my church but I also had family in the area of Slidell and they were in DIRE straits for quite awhile. Other family entered the disaster zone to extract them. Had those folks not been armed they would have been set upon by waiting bands of the lawless who skulked at the rest stops in unsecured areas of the zone. Had they not been heavily armed, the trip might have turned tragic.

Consider the following:


Communities that opened arms are now bearing arms
Houston Chronicle ^ | 9/6/05 | LISA FALKENBERG

Communities that opened arms are now bearing arms

Residents flock to gun stores on false rumors that crime is rising

By LISA FALKENBERG

LAFAYETTE, LA. - Rumors of rapes, robberies and other crimes spiking with the influx of New Orleans hurricane evacuees have incited a run on guns at stores across Cajun Country.

Gun dealers from Lake Charles to Baton Rouge say they can't keep up with demand for small revolvers, semiautomatics, shotguns and stun guns, many being purchased by women and first-time gun owners, despite police denials that the crime rate has jumped.

"We have now officially sold more handguns than we normally sell in a year in the last three days," said Will Hall, lead salesman at Lafayette Shooters.

Manager Doug Brown estimates the store has sold 300 guns over the past three days, with people traveling as far as 100 miles to buy them. He said the spike was prompted by rumors of increased crime in town, recent TV images of New Orleans looting and the Big Easy's reputation for crime.

"A lot of people sit there glued to CNN and see nothing but negative images, and they're seeing all the crowds of people showing up here, and it's kind of fueling a frenzy," Brown said. "It's not a good situation."

In Lafayette, there were reports that 14 people were raped and two killed in the Cajundome, that others were mugged in the Wal-Mart parking lot and that Lafayette Shooters had been robbed.

"It is out of control. There's rumors all over the place," said Lafayette police Lt. Bill McGovern. But, he added, "Everything's fine here. The population has just about doubled in the past 72 hours, so they're just nervous with all the new people in town."

McGovern said that he hasn't seen a spike in crime and that, overall, the New Orleans visitors have been an orderly bunch.

But many locals aren't taking chances.

Chris and Christa Credeur of the small town of Henderson, La., said they know all the displaced people aren't criminals, but they want to protect their family from the few who are.

"We've helped out many families since this has happened and donated money, funds, furniture and everything. But there's some of them that actually scare us," said Chris Credeur, who was buying a gun for his wife's purse.


Guy Johnston was purchasing his first gun.

The 27-year-old Tulane junior said he grew up in New Orleans and has become frustrated with the increasing crime there. Even before the hurricane, he said, he was robbed three times.

"I've avoided getting a gun for a long time and I'm not totally excited about it, but I really do feel like it's unavoidable now," Johnston said.

Jim McClain, owner of Jim's Firearms in Baton Rouge, said he has seen his share of first-time gun buyers, too.

He said Louisiana law requires gun buyers to pass background checks, but that safety classes aren't required unless the buyer seeks a concealed weapon permit.

Brandon LeBlanc of Barney's Police and Hunting Supplies said stores outside Lafayette and in Lake Charles have responded to the increased demand by increasing basic firearms training.
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TRADER, right now, it's mere perception. But I predict that as these destitute Americans begin to sap the WELFARE engines of already strapped host cities and the inevitable jump in crime (face it, those who needed to be evacuated inhabit the ultra lower portion of the demographic) there may well be a backlash that will result in civil unrest. Just 10% are predicted to return to a rebuilt New Orleans.
 

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Not to slam the evacuees, but let's look at this logically. Baton Rouge (to use an example) has doubled its population since the evacuation. If we assume an equal number of criminals in the evacuee population as in the normal Bation Rouge population, the number of crimes in the city (not the rate) will double. And since the evacuees don't have anything to steal or money to buy drugs, the criminal element in the evacuee population will try to commit crimes on the Baton Rouge native populace.

So be generous, be thankful, be helpful, but also Be Aware.
 

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An interesting point. The authorities are concerned in Jefferson Parrish due to evacuee's returning now that power and water have begun to work again in much of the Parrish. You'd think that those are the people they should be the LEAST concerned about. These are folks with homes, property, business, a means of transportation to and from the area... all things that are indicators of someone who is not prone to looting and violence. With the power returning to much of the Parrish and water running again, many who came back over the past few days are expressing a desire to stay. I say let them. They should probably remain under a dusk to dawn lock down but they have a vested interest in keeping their homes and businesses safe, so let them do it as long as their isn't a health hazzard like the one in New Orleans and upper St. Bernard Parrish.
 

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I will hope for the best and remain prepared for the worst.

That being said my area has a closed AFB. It is also the airport I work at. My community will be welcoming 2500 (so far) guests from NO. They are to be housed in the old base housing and barricks. The area already has the highest crime neighborhoods in the area due to the cheap housing. The police presense is not even close to enough to control the criminal element already here. It will not take many "bad eggs" to cause a lot more problems.
Also there are very few good jobs available in the area so many more people will have way to much time on there hands.
When the snow and cold of Michigans Upper Penninsula comes, I hope these people will be prepared to deal with it.
 

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THEY WON'T be prepared, more than likely, so that may be yer saving grace.
they won't like the cold.
remember 50 is cold for them southern folks.
we don't even put on a coat til the 40's :)

south of me in cinciunnati the cops have much less trouble, even in the worst areas, when its cold. not conducive to lazy criminals
 

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I'm in Utah and haven't heard any problems with a crime increase yet. It is already cooling down at night and takes longer to warm up. I hope we will give them warm clothes when it gets cold. It wont be much longer till colder weather clothes are the norm. I guessing if the state doesn't help with that, the LDS church will. They are pretty big into service aid and preparation. Anyway, nothing bad yet. Sounds like they are being well taken care of. Hope it is the same everywhere.
 

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We’re starting to get reports of crime in North Texas from Louisiana refuges. In Ft Worth there was an attempted abduction of a teenage girl on her way home from school by a displaced sexual predator. In another area (I think Allen) there was a report of a family that took some people into their home, having one of their kids sexually assaulted by one of their “guests”.

These people that take others into there homes have an incredible amount of generosity. But I would never do it, because of my concern for my family. I’d pay to but people up in a hotel before I would let them stay with my family.
 

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JT said:
We’re starting to get reports of crime in North Texas from Louisiana refuges. In Ft Worth there was an attempted abduction of a teenage girl on her way home from school by a displaced sexual predator. In another area (I think Allen) there was a report of a family that took some people into their home, having one of their kids sexually assaulted by one of their “guests”.

These people that take others into there homes have an incredible amount of generosity. But I would never do it, because of my concern for my family. I’d pay to but people up in a hotel before I would let them stay with my family.

I remember that right after the Mariel Boatlift, crime in south Florida exploded. Gang rape was up over 400% and armed robbery up 200% Just think, that was about six years before Florida's model CCW permit system first went into effect. Imagine how we felt: Like we were targets just walking around town, where you were most likely to be attacked?
 

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can you belive here in the land of love your brother(literally) only a few hundred are comming to a local Catholic cathedreal.I thought Diane and Barbara and Nancy could put that many up their selfs.These libs are really something all whine and no action.
 

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ExSoldier762 said:
"It is out of control. There's rumors all over the place," said Lafayette police Lt. Bill McGovern. But, he added, "Everything's fine here. The population has just about doubled in the past 72 hours, so they're just nervous with all the new people in town."

McGovern said that he hasn't seen a spike in crime and that, overall, the New Orleans visitors have been an orderly bunch.
Does anyone expect that he would tell us if it were otherwise?
 

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Therefore - anyone within range of such places should IMO upgrade their awareness levels - in towns and cities in particular, because as I see it - there are gonna be wolves on the loose.

For many of us this won't be an issue but for some - I do think it will. They should be prepared.

PULL!!

Sorry....I guess PC is not my strong suit :smile:
 
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