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I had a short conversation with regular "customer" that comes into our shop. He is a deputy with the local county sheriff's office.

We were chatting and he spoke of the duty he had working the college football game this past weekend (FSU vs. Miami).

I managed to slip in a questiont hat started us talking about carrying concealed etc.

I asked him if he found anyone carrying while trying to enter the gates to the stadium. He said he didn't and I mentioned the another city police officer telling me of at least one guy trying to get in with a hidden handgun. I was also told he was legally licensed.

Apparently, you aren't allowed to carry concealed at public sporting events.

Anyway, I asked him just why there was a problem with some one legally carrying at a football game?

His answer was, "Well, if I let "you" in then I have to allow all the others who are carrying legally into the stadium".

I replied, "I understand, but, as long as one is legally licensed then why shouldn't they be allowed to carry?"

He said, "Let's say you get bumped by some drunk fool and he starts yelling and then gets violently offensive, you pull your gun and shoot him".

I replied, "Well, I would rather shoot him than to get my azz beat to a pulp".

He said, "Exactly, and imagine everyone there carrying who gets bumped or gets into a fight pulling their guns in defense".

I replied, "Well, honestly, I believe in the Constitutional right to be armed legally and unless the stadium administration can provide me with my own personal cop or can absolutely guarantee that I will be protected form people ILLEGALLY carrying weapons, then I feel I should be able to carry there".

He went on to say that there are lots of places you cannot carry such as court houses, police stations, BANKS, etc.

I said "I was unaware banks were off limits".

He said, "Anywhere that a No Firearms sign is posted you aren't allowed to carry even if you remain concealed".

I replied, "The signs have no legal power in Florida unless I am found out and asked to leave". I told him I carry inside my bank and most everywhere else I go and I remain "concealed and quiet" about it.

That was when our conversation ended due to a customer coming to the counter.



Ok, flame me for telling a police officer that I carry concealed where ever I go but I have known him quite a while now and he is pretty cool about things. He is just apparently misinformed.
 

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You may not have seen the "never talk to the police" presentation. :smile:

Seriously, I see nothing wrong with the discussion. Seems like if "large sporting events" are not on the state's off-limits list, assuming that posting them is truly meaningless in FL, then there would be no legal reason to exclude concealed weapons from such a venue.
 

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You may not have seen the "never talk to the police" presentation. :smile:

Seriously, I see nothing wrong with the discussion. Seems like if "large sporting events" are not on the state's off-limits list, assuming that posting them is truly meaningless in FL, then there would be no legal reason to exclude concealed weapons from such a venue.
Signs hold no legal meaning in Florida, however, I do believe "professional/college sporting events" are off limits.
 

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Puncho is right - here is the summary of the Fl Statutes 790.06

Prohibited places include the following:

any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05
any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station
any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse
any courtroom*
any polling place
any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district
any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof
any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms
any school administration building
any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption*
any elementary or secondary school facility
any area technical center
any college or university facility*
inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport*
any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law
 

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Dang, and I thought that FL was a gun friendly state.
Don't tell me that backward liberal WA is better off the FL.

ROTF
 

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Exactly, what is a place of "nuisance"?

So, is a place of nuisance intended to cover strip joints, and such?

Puncho is right - here is the summary of the Fl Statutes 790.06

Prohibited places include the following:

any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05
any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station
any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse
any courtroom*
any polling place
any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district
any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof
any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms
any school administration building
any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption*
any elementary or secondary school facility
any area technical center
any college or university facility*
inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport*
any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law
 

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Favorite Places of Mass Murderers

Puncho is right - here is the summary of the Fl Statutes 790.06

Prohibited places include the following:

any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05
any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station
any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse
any courtroom*
any polling place
any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district
any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof
any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms
any school administration building
any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption*
any elementary or secondary school facility
any area technical center
any college or university facility*
inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport*
any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law
Notice how many of those places listed has been chosen by a mass murderer do his deed. No coincidence I am sure!:aargh4:
 

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So, is a place of nuisance intended to cover strip joints, and such?
Places of nuisance can be anywhere that gains a reputation of ill repute or regular occurrence of nuisance. Yes, it includes strip joints or any place deemed a pub or bar that gains more than 50% of its total income from alcohol sales. It can be a gathering place that is a known trouble spot as well.
 

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Okay, I'm curious now, what is a "area technical center" as it applies to the carry laws?
 

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Ok, flame me for telling a police officer that I carry concealed where ever I go... He is just apparently misinformed.

There are many more mis-informed police officers and ones who just don't know the law than you might think. It amazes me how many there are out there who really just don't know the law regarding citizen carry. But, honestly, they don't deal with this law nearly as much as others like DUI, domestic violence and many others.
 

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He said, "Let's say you get bumped by some drunk fool and he starts yelling and then gets violently offensive, you pull your gun and shoot him".

I replied, "Well, I would rather shoot him than to get my azz beat to a pulp".
I'm not sure that's the "right" answer to that question. More to the point is that, "I have a responsibility to retreat, and my weapon is a last resort measure" would probably keep him from saying, "I told you so". Just my 2 centavos.
 

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I'm not sure that's the "right" answer to that question. More to the point is that, "I have a responsibility to retreat, and my weapon is a last resort measure" would probably keep him from saying, "I told you so". Just my 2 centavos.
In Florida you are not permitted to CCW at a college sporting event so the point is moot, however Floridians are not required to retreat.
 

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Okay, I'm curious now, what is a "area technical center" as it applies to the carry laws?
I'm not entirely sure, but to me that meant technical schools, like the schools where you can get certified to fix motorcycles or boat motors. I could be wrong though. I just know that I find it odd that I have to disarm when I go to school, but if I were to go to the bank (which shares the same building) I would be perfectly legal to carry.
 

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Places of nuisance can be anywhere that gains a reputation of ill repute or regular occurrence of nuisance. Yes, it includes strip joints or any place deemed a pub or bar that gains more than 50% of its total income from alcohol sales. It can be a gathering place that is a known trouble spot as well.
My question of places with a reputation of nuisance;

How does one know? Are there signs saying this is a place of nuisance? That one seems like a "catch all" to me.
 

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Places of nuisance can be anywhere that gains a reputation of ill repute or regular occurrence of nuisance. Yes, it includes strip joints or any place deemed a pub or bar that gains more than 50% of its total income from alcohol sales. It can be a gathering place that is a known trouble spot as well.
Strip joints, houses of prostitution, crack houses, illegal gaming establishments, etc.

As to the 50%+, there is no such wording in FL gun law.

Establishments are either a bar (whether or not it serves food), or a restaurant (whether or not it serves alcohol). FL law says you cannot carry in a bar, but you can carry in a restaurant. If that restaurant has a 'bar area,' reserved primarily for sales/consumption of alcohol, you cannot carry in the bar area. You better not even walk through the bar area. Chil's or Applebee's are examples of restaurants with bar areas. Other establishments are harder to define sometimes. Most of the time, you know it's a bar. You cannot legally carry there.

ETA: If you are not sure, better decide if you should leave it in the car, or if you want to be the test case.
 

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Okay, I'm curious now, what is a "area technical center" as it applies to the carry laws?
An area technical center is run by the county school board (IIRC), and teaches 'trade' subjects, like mechanics, plumbing, construction, etc.
Can be HS age or post-HS. Typically vocational-tech.
 

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Most azz beatings both people walk (maybe limp) away from, not a good time to shoot someone. I feel that unless a deadly weapon is brought against you, you would probably not be justified in ending a fist fight with a gun.

I know a fist fight can turn real ugly real fast, but that statement may have done more harm than good.

There is always the option to walk away, although you don't have to retreat, it may help avoid the hassle of an investigation/arrest.

But yes it seems silly that a legally concealed firearm is not permitted at such places. Until we can get it changed I suppose we have the option of not going to those places (hard to resist going to the big game I'm sure).

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Places of nuisance can be anywhere that gains a reputation of ill repute or regular occurrence of nuisance. Yes, it includes strip joints or any place deemed a pub or bar that gains more than 50% of its total income from alcohol sales. It can be a gathering place that is a known trouble spot as well.
According to Gutmacher, "Place of Public Nuisance" refers to a place designated by F.S. 823.05.

Legally operated strip clubs, bars, etc. do not qualify. In order to be a "Place of Public Nuisance", there must be ongoing criminal activity.

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He said, "Let's say you get bumped by some drunk fool and he starts yelling and then gets violently offensive, you pull your gun and shoot him".

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He said, "Exactly, and imagine everyone there carrying who gets bumped or gets into a fight pulling their guns in defense".
Is this the attitude of those who carry; to pull your gun as soon as anyone does anything wrong to you? Is that the stereotype of those who carry?

I find it hard to believe that most people who legally carry a concealed handgun will resort to using their gun as a first response to a "drunk fool" like this. There are always bad apples, but I don't like the assumption that just because I carry a weapon, it means I'll use it at the first sign of a minor assault on me.

This is the same unfounded fear as the "blood on the streets" before FL passed its CC laws.

At the same time, if the "drunk fool" pulls a knife on me and starts stabbing me, I have a right to pull my gun and shoot him and I don't want some unfounded fear of misuse to prevent a legitimate self-defense.
 
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