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I know it is VERY early to be asking this question but I would like some educated opinions on this subject. Assuming Illinois actually adopts concealed carry, would there be any provisions for non resident carry? I don't really see Illinois honoring any other states permit so in that case would they be OBLIGATED to offer a non-resident permit to citizens that travel there? If not, there would be no legal way for anyone that doesn't live in Illinois to carry in Illinois and they would therefore be denied their right. Is there currently a state that does not honor another state's permint that also does not offer non-resident permits? I am asking because I travel to St. Louis often and have found myself accidently ending up on the Illinois side occasionaly. Does anyone have any opinions on this?
 

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More than likely, if/when IL creates a setup for legal CC, it will be written in such a way that it will be virtually impossible for 'normal' people to get one. MD and NJ both have CC, it is may issue by the state police but it is extremely hard to get a permit unless you are rich or politically connected. I remember hearing recently that MD, which has a population of around 5 million has something like 4500 current active permits, almost all of them are either politically connected people, judges, ex cops, or prosecutors. Remember that IL state politics are essentially controlled by the Chicago machine (or is it Outfit? I get those two confused). I think it is highly unlikely that they would go with the county system like CA has, where it varies from no issue to almost shall issue depending on where you are. Also, I think it highly unlikely that IL will recognize ANY out of state permits. We can hope for the best, but wouldn't hold my breath.
 

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I know it is VERY early to be asking this question but I would like some educated opinions on this subject. Assuming Illinois actually adopts concealed carry, would there be any provisions for non resident carry?
Only when their cold, dead fingers get off the legislative process, methinks.

I'd bet that reciprocity is one of those things that'll be hung onto for awhile, as it'll be one of the few infringements they'll be able to. In time, as sanity begins to reassert itself, and after other states begin to see the learning curve is nearing completion, I'm sure reciprocity will begin to be an actively-managed thing. Can't imagine it being early in the game, given the "sting" of being forced to get with the program in terms of carry.

I'm in agreement with some others, too: there's incredible incentive for the liberty-haters to craft a virtually-never-issue arrangement, lest "carry" fall into the hands of the citizens unfettered. I'll believe it when I see it, IOW, but I'd say the likelihood of getting widespread, sane, supportive carry across the citizenry, let alone shall-issue and full reciprocity, is pretty darned low. We'll soon see. Perhaps sanity will reign, again, in IL politics. We're gettin' a whiff. May it smell at least somewhat sweeter than the political putrification that's been wafting from there the past few decades.
 

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Im going to go out on a limb here and say that the pond in hades has not froze over yet...
 
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Im going to go out on a limb here and say that the pond in hades has not froze over yet...
Some anti gun places I can tolerate in limited doses, NYC for instance. I would honestly rather swim in raw sewage than visit Chicago again. I'm not sure if this is coincidental or not, but in Mexican Spanish slang "Chi Cago" means "I piss, I ****" hmmm...
 

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Im going to go out on a limb here and say that the pond in hades has not froze over yet...

Or: "There's many a slip twixt the cup and the lip."

If Chicago-leaning pols get their way, it'll be shackles by another name, to just squeak by the court's order. Sad, but all too likely.
 

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Or: "There's many a slip twixt the cup and the lip."

If Chicago-leaning pols get their way, it'll be shackles by another name, to just squeak by the court's order. Sad, but all too likely.
Yep, I think the short answer for the OP is a resounding NO......
 

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I know it is VERY early to be asking this question but I would like some educated opinions on this subject. Assuming Illinois actually adopts concealed carry, would there be any provisions for non resident carry? I don't really see Illinois honoring any other states permit so in that case would they be OBLIGATED to offer a non-resident permit to citizens that travel there? If not, there would be no legal way for anyone that doesn't live in Illinois to carry in Illinois and they would therefore be denied their right. Is there currently a state that does not honor another state's permint that also does not offer non-resident permits? I am asking because I travel to St. Louis often and have found myself accidently ending up on the Illinois side occasionaly. Does anyone have any opinions on this?
CA does not recognize other states and does not have a non-resident permit. NY, NJ, MD and HI, while in theory, have non-resident permits, it is almost impossible to obtain one. I doubt very much IL will recognize other states permits, or that they will have a non-resident permit. Along with that, my guess is they will make it nearly impossible for residents to obtain one as well. Just a guess, but I see IL going as a "May Issue" state.
 

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What it will come down to for states like this is:

Hoops and Money.

The hoops to jump through will be so arduous that people probably won't bother. They'll probably only make it last a year so you'd have to go through all the hoops again.

The cost will be placed out of reach of the average citizen.
 

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Illinois will never pass cc...IMO. I hope I'm wrong.
They're being forced to do exactly that by the U.S. 7th Circuit Court of Appeals, via their Feb 22 2013 ruling. (Granted, it was only a 5:4: decision, but it happened.)

The only question is whether it'll be practically-never-issue and otherwise restrictive as sin, or something this side of that.
 

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They're being forced to do exactly that by the U.S. 7th Circuit Court of Appeals, via their Feb 22 2013 ruling. (Granted, it was only a 5:4: decision, but it happened.)

The only question is whether it'll be practically-never-issue and otherwise restrictive as sin, or something this side of that.
I've heard this before. I don't understand the argument they are being "forced to". Why wouldn't it be up to the state legislature to pass it or not?
 

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I've heard this before. I don't understand the argument they are being "forced to". Why wouldn't it be up to the state legislature to pass it or not?
As Anubis points out (and which I should've included in the post), lawful carry's going to occur in IL. They're being forced by that court decision to either pass statutes covering it or to have constitutional carry occur anyway in lieu of their acting. Either way, it's gonna happen, that was the point.

You're correct, though: if the IL hirelings opt not to act, then they won't act. But that'll be as far as their lunacy is permitted to go, given the decision by the 7th USCOA.
 

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I've heard this before. I don't understand the argument they are being "forced to". Why wouldn't it be up to the state legislature to pass it or not?
The Federal Courts ruled that Illinois ban on conceal carry was unconstitutional and gave the state legislature I believe 180 days to pass a carry law. The ruling did not say what type of carry was required, just that one must be put in place. It leaves the state open to pass May Issue or Shall Issue, and the training/cost requirements and if they will grant recognition to other states.

So while they did force the state to come up with a program, they left all the important issues of it in the hands of the legislature.
 

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They're being forced to do exactly that by the U.S. 7th Circuit Court of Appeals, via their Feb 22 2013 ruling. (Granted, it was only a 5:4: decision, but it happened.)

The only question is whether it'll be practically-never-issue and otherwise restrictive as sin, or something this side of that.
Hopefully Str8upguy is right. After the 180-day stay is lifted, IL's carry prohibition is void; the default is Vermont-style constitutional carry, with "reciprocity" for all.
If I have read the post correctly though; if they do not pass a cc law by Aug 22; carry will be without permit like VT. Did I read you both right
 

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If I have read the post correctly though; if they do not pass a cc law by Aug 22; carry will be without permit like VT. Did I read you both right
You are reading that correctly. If Illinois does not pass something by early June, it will be a free carry state.

There are two bills in the house, and both are "shall issue", and neither have prohibitive costs etc., as I suspected they might try to get place in the verbiage.

The most likely to pass is currently thought to be HB 148
Illinois General Assembly - Bill Status for HB0148

And the other potential amendment would be HB 998 -
Illinois General Assembly - Bill Status for HB0998

We already have CCW classes sponsored by the NRA which meet the requirements (by name on the completion certificate) of both bills.

I may be thinking wishful here, but we are closer than we have ever been in downstate Cook County (i.e. the rest of the state of Chicago).

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