It isn't a crime on campus except MI State and U of MI.However, it seems this bill simply makes it so it's not a crime to CCW on campus,
Public schools are not private property.it doesn't prohibit the individual school from creating it's own policy.
Can anybody confirm this?true, but the powers that be can create policies that affect students and employees. Joe blow off the street would be unaffected by such policies.
Can anybody confirm this?
A local private college of mine has a no-weapons policy for its students (I believe/assume employees too). I am neither a student nor an employee of this college. They do not have any no-firearms/weapons signs posted. I asked the security office about CC'ing on their campus (of course not in dorms/classrooms, or for that matter not in any of the buildings) and they didn't really have a straight answer. The best they could give me was "It's against our student policy" and that if I was ever caught CC'ing on campus it would guarantee I'd never be accepted as a student there (no worry there) but they weren't really sure on it further.
I suppose I could try and get more info on this, but haven't gotten to that mess yet.
That makes a lot of sense. And that's kind of what I was getting from them, except they weren't positive about it. I guess it isn't a question they get asked much.I work at a University and can assure you that they can and would fire me if I so much as had a firearm in my vehicle in the parking structure. A student would likewise be expelled. However, MI law says only that it is illegal to carry in a classroom or dormitory, neither of which I ever enter. The common and admin buildings, the courtyards and rest of the campus..well, they have other policies that make it clear that this is public land and they cannot exclude joe public from common areas. (Specifically came up because people wanted homeless people banned from the libraries, turns out that they cannot ban them. they do however, shoo them if they are sleeping or doing anything other than using library resources, so they do mostly stay away because they mostly come in to sleep). They cannot charge a student or employee with a crime for carrying (except classrooms or dormitories), only expell or fire them. They have no means to expel or fire joe public, as joe public 1. has not signed an agreement to workplace/school policies and 2. has no job or education to lose, and is not committing a crime.
The thing that really gets me about the law vs. College policy in regards to parking lots is the following: If I have business to take care of following my morning classes I either have to park somewhere off campus or leave my firearm at home and return home to retrieve it before running errands. Because the way the policy is written if I were to park in the parking lot and lock up my pistol I could be expelled and lose my sponsorship for violating school policy. The policy states that the parking lot is their property, but state law says that parking lots are not considered premises. Furthermore, I could park at the college across the street, lock up my pistol, walk to my college, and neither violate my college policy, nor the state law, and since I am not a student of the other college I would not be violating their policy either. The worst that could happen is if someone saw me locking up my firearm I could be asked to not park there anymore. :rant:
I did not know that as a visitor, my rights given to me by the state could be pre-empted. Sorry I think state over rules the college in my case as I can have a pistol in my vehicle in the parking lot.Here is the policy for the college I go to. So it is legal for me to have my firearm on me in the parking lot because parking lots legally are not premises in Michigan but the college set its own rules regarding that and other areas.
It is the policy of Muskegon Community College that no person employed by the College or any student or visitor to College buildings, facilities, vehicles, grounds and other College property shall possess a weapon and/or dangerous weapon in a College building, on College grounds, during a College-sponsored activity, or during such times as students are under the supervision of College authorities. “Weapons and/or dangerous weapons” is defined to include firearms and weapons as defined in USC Title 20 as 8921 and USC title 18 as 921 and MCL as 380.1313(4).