Concealed carry restrictions....Getting rid of them....

Hey Fjol'

I am quite fortunate - in PA no training required ( tho I do wish some folks would - to make sure they are in good shape, legally and skill-wise).

I am barred from courthouses and schools and Fed property of course but overall - most of time I carry 16/7 no hassles - way I like it.

My son is getting his CCW and sad to say his work bans guns from inside - tho OK in parking lot (small plus I suppose).

Bottom line - all places should be available for carry - by ''clean'' citizens - who are not a risk to society. If caught with excess alcohol then they are screwed - if inappropriate use of firearm - they are screwed. It is all down to responsible ownership and lifestyle.

I only have my home CCW and FL - so while good for many not OK for some. I wish to heck MD and IL for example would get their act together. And CA is in part just trashing the 2A - so is NYC and Chicago.

I always carry my permits - always. I wish for total reciprocity in all states and I do not mean just lower 48, tho anyways AK is sensible but HI needs a refresh!!

Chad said:

While I think it should be allowed, I know a lot of teachers that could qualify but I'd be scared to think they were armed...so it boils down to where and how do we draw the "some should and some shouldn't" line...and who makes that call??

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I'm not 100% saying I would but here's the thing... It's the principle of the argument at hand.

I'm quite sick and tired of society telling me what I am and am not capable of deciding for myself just because I'm a member of the education profession. I'm quite sick of being treated like disposable human garbage by the state legislature.

Our great Republican governor didn't even bother to send a representative to the No Texas Teacher Left Behind Forum some time ago. That's what Rick Perry thinks of me. He thinks I'm not worth his time.

I am 24 years old. I am managing a very difficult adult situation right now with my father's recent passing, I work, I pay bills, and I can smoke and drink as much as I want to. I'm tired of being treated like a moron who doesn't know his own subject that he teaches, and I'm tired of the attitude that I can't decide for myself when and how to be armed or not armed.

Honestly, what the heck do people think I'm going to do? Shoot a student? You think that the people who teach your children refrain from hurting them merely because they don't have legal access to firearms?

You trust your precious children with people whom you believe would kill them?

I'm the same person regardless of whether or not I am armed. I want the dignity of being able to make my own decision, whatever it may be.

One thing for a fact...

I have qualified dozens of Teachers for CCW permits. We have discussed this subject at length. So far, every one that has a permit would carry in school grounds if it were legal and at the very least keep one in a locked car.

I am reminded of the teacher in Jonesboro, Arkansas that died in a school shooting. It was never covered in the news media much, other than the fact that she was killed. What they didnt say was how.

She was sitting on the ground with a student that had been shot, she had his head in her lap. As bullets were hitting the ground around them both, she turned and shielded that students body with her own. Unfortunatley, she was struck and killed. That student likely owes that teacher his life.

As it stands now, all we have done is GUARANTEED that our schools are target rich environments. If each school in this country had just a few teachers with the gumption that the one in Jonesboro had and they had access to guns, school shootings would be a thing of the past.

My wife has been teaching for 28 years and she loves her job and her students. In the event of a shooting scenario, I would like to think that she at least had a fighting chance.

I'm not insinuating that its a perfect solution, but it would be better than the huddling up in the corner if a shooter did walk into class...

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You're awfully young to be so burned out on teaching already...
I'm not being facetious or condescending...my wife is 52 and I'm very involved and aware of her teaching environment because we've been married for 25 years and that's how our relationship is.

It's the worst example of a noble profession beaten down by an intractible bureaucracy...so I understand your frustrations completely.

Please understand the context of my statement...
teachers are just a group of people to me...some I would trust with my life, others I'd run the other way if I thought they were armed.
I wouldn't want to see a special dispensation for arming teachers, nor would I want stricter restrictions.

It's simply a scenario that I am close to and I commented on my own observations.

I've probably already addressed more of your other concerns than I should have considering the topic of this thread...another thread, or maybe even another forum would probably be better for the important and valid points you made.

I would like to see ALL restrictions go away. IF we're good enough to have a carry permit, then we should be good enough to carry anywhere.

I mean what, we can only be trusted in SOME places, but not others?? That is total BS.

If I can pass a background check, and my state says I can carry a concealed pistol, then that should be enough.

I don't see why I can't carry in a bar. Suppose my friends want to get together after work. Either I don't drink, limit my drinking, or I put the gun in the trunk. Michigan has a BAC limit of .02, that works out to about 1 to 2 beers an hour for me. Frankly, I doubt I'd drink more than one beer, as I've just about quit drinking alcohol except when I'm at home.

And the restriction on schools is ludicrous. The only people who will obey that law are the law-abiding citizens. IF some maniac wanted to go into my sons school and start shooting it up, I'd have to run out to my car to get my gun to even have a chance to stop him.

Same goes for just about any other place. It's just plain stupid.