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So I tried it today. AIWB. I just took my tiny LCR and stuffed it in my 1 o'clock position. Aside from the obvious flinch I got from the idea of blowing my boys off, I also found it kind of uncomfortable. It's in a spot where I'd feel it when I sit down to drive, eat, watch TV and etc. Bend at the waist and I feel it. It's not at all comfortable compared to how I carry now: IWB 3.30 and pocket. The one advantage I did notice is the extremely quick draw times. The slight disadvantage seems to be a slight sweep toward my left as I pull the gun loose and aim. Pocket and IWB 3.30 are straight sweeps forward.

I'm not a big dude, but I do have a little "overhang". That seems to play a part with discomfort too. Maybe AIWB only works for guys who have a 6 pac? Pudgy and AIWB don't seem to like each other.

So if you're a AIWB kinda person, let me know your thoughts and why you like carrying this way. I'm not convinced yet, but I am intrigued.
 

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...I clip in 2 nylon or leather holsters at 1 and 2 oclock...SP101 closest to the hip...P97 closer to the belt buckle...the SP sits a bit lower and the P97 actually rides partially above it...I crawl, climb, bend, squat all day in my work...I drive...it's comfortable, comforting, and quickly accessible sitting or standing...I've been doing it since the mid-60s...only time I wore an OWB holster was when I had to wear a coat...don't even do that now in winter...it's the best way I've ever carried...I've been to 251 and now around 228...still comfy...I cut my holsters open and re-sew the clip about 1" higher on the holster...that sinks the gun that much lower behind my belt(Wilderness Instructor 1 1/2") and it stays put well , covers with just a pocket T , and I still have a good grip to draw...I got my needles from Tandy leather in the 70s...still using the tent thread I bought then...takes about 40 mins per holster...before I did that, the butt would stick out more...especially with a snub...now, not at all...
 

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I've always felt the same way. People say that the gun shouldn't go into your stomach, it should go up your stomach, but I don't see how that's even possible without 1.) pitching a huge tent with your pants so they go up your belly and 2.) fondling it every time you sit down, which would make it obvious and/or be uncomfortable/awkward/inconvenient and you might not always be able to do that...
 

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I can not tell you if AIWB will work for you, it doesn't for me. I would advise you to keep trying it with an unloaded weapon with no holster in different areas to see if you can find a spot you like. 1:00 is kind of far toward the center line, try 1:30 or 2:00. If you decide you do like it, try to find a holster that pushes the grip of the gun toward your body. Mine works well, but there are many others on the market that also work well. You also want something that stays open with the gun out, for safer re-holstering.

To me the biggest advantage of appendix carry is the level of concealment it offers. You can't beat it for that and you never have to worry about your shirt coming up and catching on the butt of the gun when you bend over. As you noted it is also a very fast draw.

All in all, while AIWB carry will not work for some people, including me, it is a great way to conceal anything from your LCP to a Glock 17. I encourage you to give it a fair shake, you might grow to like it.
 

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This system begs to be worn at 12:00 but i found by shifting it to 1:00 and having it sit above the belt line of my shorts, works very well for me. It does not pinch nor rub up against my leg when driving. (3Speed Holster)
 

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Works great for me with smaller guns. Walther PPS is my carry, the holster I use rides with the bottom near the belt line so it doesn't dig when seated. Also unless in bend backwards it stays well concealed under a t shirt .
 

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Standby, I will update this post with some pictures by the end of the day with photos of my AIWB carry rig. I had the same concerns as you but it is by far my favorite method of carrying now. I have a bunch of shtfgear hybrid holsters to conceal bigger guns.
 

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I tried it for a while on my Delta Point-equipped Glock 17, and absolutely hated every aspect of it. I attended Handgun IV and V recently at Tactical Defense Institute, and out of 22 people, only about five of us were NOT carrying forward of 3:00, so AIWB is certainly the preferred method of that crowd. I, otoh am quite happy with my current set-up, and have no need or desire to work on it further.
 

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Works fine for me.

A good quality 2 ply gun belt and holster is a must.

I carry a Glock 19 or 23 AIWB in either a High Noon Public Secret or Alter Ego holster.

Easy to access and easy to protect.

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High Noon Holsters, Gun Holsters and Concealment Holsters

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FlaRon :urla9ub:
 

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I do think it is somewhat body shape dependent. I would dare to say that most that find it really comfortable are in the washboard club, I fit that bill as well, really I could stand to gain a few. But I've tried everywhere else around my waist and there is not anywhere else that comes close to working. I have no problem sitting or bending forward, as there is nothing there to get in the way.

I won't try to convince you its for you, because it sounds like its not. We are all different, to each their own. But it definitely has some advantages - speed of draw, ability to draw with off hand, ability to draw from laying on your back, your side or even in the fetal position, easy to protect from someone else grabbing the gun - your body is already a little hardwired to protect that area for guys, lol, easy to conceal, no worry about bending over and exposing the gun, the weight of the gun is central - not additional weight on one side of your hip. If you do have to adjust, it looks like your adjusting you crotch area - lots of guys do that all the time anyways. Sure there are some other things others will add.
 

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I've started to carry AIWB in specific instances - basically when I want to wear a shirt tucked in. I don't have a six pack but I am thin (5'7/150lbs) and have no issues with comfort or it digging into me, but I am carrying a compact and I know there is no way I could carry my duty pistol in the same manner (barrel too long). Currently I'm using a McCabe leather holster for carrying my M&P40c AIWB but am considering ordering a G-Code INCOG with mag carrier.
 

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I've started to carry AIWB in specific instances - basically when I want to wear a shirt tucked in. I don't have a six pack but I am thin (5'7/150lbs) and have no issues with comfort or it digging into me, but I am carrying a compact and I know there is no way I could carry my duty pistol in the same manner (barrel too long). Currently I'm using a McCabe leather holster for carrying my M&P40c AIWB but am considering ordering a G-Code INCOG with mag carrier.
I'll let you know bud, cause I just ordered an INCOG for my 9c. It should be here in a couple of weeks.

Then we can finally meet up and go to a range :) hahah
 

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For most people, I do believe successful AIWB is going to be dependent on two main things; holster design and body type. If you don't have both going for you, it'll probably be hit or miss depending on which one isn't working in your favor and by how much. If both are working against you, it's probably not going to be a very successful effort.

I find AWIB very comfortable, and I would say especially when sitting compared to the 4 o'clock position I used to carry in. I have pretty decent posture, so I don't do much slouching, which may be somewhat uncomfortable AIWB. What I do a lot of is sitting in my desk chair slightly reclined, which almost always caused the firearm to press uncomfortably into my back. This doesn't happen with AIWB as it just rides parallel to my body regardless. Driving is pretty much the same, with the additional benefit of being able to get to my pistol, even seat belted, much faster than with my old postion at 4. Bending over is also comfortable; I broke myself of the bending at the waist habit long ago simply because it caused massive printing or full firearm exposure when I carried at 4. Bending at the knees keeps your torso straight, so once again, the AIWB pistol just rides along parallel causing no discomfort for me at all. I guess if the firearm were long enough, it might interfere, but I believe it'd have to be well over full sized pistol size to achieve something like that.

How much 'overhang' you have is probably going to play a big part in comfort because if your gut is constantly pushing the top of the pistol out, then the basic physics of a lever will dictate that it's going to be pushing in somewhere else. This is the exact opposite of what makes AIWB work so well and this is clearly illustrated in the basic design of AIWB holsters. Almost all have some method of keeping the holster pivoting the other way on your waist. That said, I've read of more than one guy who considers themselves 'overweight' and says they love AIWB, so I guess a relatively trim torso isn't the be-all end-all with AIWB.
 

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I'll let you know bud, cause I just ordered an INCOG for my 9c. It should be here in a couple of weeks.

Then we can finally meet up and go to a range :) hahah
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Have the lead times dropped, at one point I think it was 6-8 weeks to get a holster.
 

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My first question is why would anyone want to convince you? You either like it or you don't.
Make up your own mind.
 

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My first question is why would anyone want to convince you? You either like it or you don't.
Make up your own mind.
Well currently I don't like it but the greatly increased speed of draw makes it really appealing. It could work well with my LCR which will give me one more spot to hide it. I'm really looking more for tricks to make it work.
 

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I recently switched to AIWB carry after buying an N82 Tactical Pro holster for my LC9. The N82 completely covers the gun so that no part of it touches your body, unlike other holsters that may allow the rear of the slide to dig into you. The N82 is very comfortable for AIWB. I think that besides holster design and gun size, having a belly is another barrier to carrying AIWB.
 

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So I tried it today. AIWB. I just took my tiny LCR and stuffed it in my 1 o'clock position. Aside from the obvious flinch I got from the idea of blowing my boys off, I also found it kind of uncomfortable. It's in a spot where I'd feel it when I sit down to drive, eat, watch TV and etc. Bend at the waist and I feel it. It's not at all comfortable compared to how I carry now: IWB 3.30 and pocket. The one advantage I did notice is the extremely quick draw times. The slight disadvantage seems to be a slight sweep toward my left as I pull the gun loose and aim. Pocket and IWB 3.30 are straight sweeps forward.

I'm not a big dude, but I do have a little "overhang". That seems to play a part with discomfort too. Maybe AIWB only works for guys who have a 6 pac? Pudgy and AIWB don't seem to like each other.

So if you're a AIWB kinda person, let me know your thoughts and why you like carrying this way. I'm not convinced yet, but I am intrigued.
Attached are several images of my rig right now. It was actually my buddy who has a "little more" around the waist that told me to get AIWB. Pictured is the only AIWB holster I have. All the rest are Normal 4-5 oclock carry holsters. This holster below is an AIWB holster from Off The Grid Concepts that comes with a Haley Strategic Partners Incog clip. (Off The Grid Concept | DYNAMIC, SIMPLICITY, ADAPTABILITY). I actually think this holster is more comfortable than my leather/kydex hybrids. It does not conceal nearly as well as them but for all the upsides of this AIWB holster, I can deal with it.
First of all draw speed is a huge factor. I am nearly a second faster if not more with this AIWB holster as compared to the others. The gun is right in front of me and allows for a smoother draw and presentation than coming from my 4-5 oclock position.
Second is defense. I feel that it would be easier to defend my gun from a grabber if anything like that were to happen.
Third is hand to hand combatives. Should I get into a fist fight, defending the gun as mentioned in number two would be easier, but also being able to draw it as well should I need it instead of reaching around and behind me. If I end up on my back during a fight, it is much easier to draw from this position than attempting to roll a little to my side to draw my firearm.
In car use is easy as well. You mentioned it wouldnt be comfortable. All I do is pull my pants up a little more to make a little extra room and my seat belt rides right over the top of the holster itself. As mentioned in number three, similar to drawing while on your back, this just makes more sense tactically than compared to a 4 or 5 oclock carry. Even 3. I simply lift my shirt up as I normally would, draw, point and shoot.

Here are images of both the rig, and carrying. I am on R&R so I have nothing better to do right now than take these photos. lol. I am 5'7, 160 pounds. 30 inch-ish waist and wear medium shirts/ shmediums as I have been told as well. What you see is what I chose to wear today and I have never had to "alter" my clothing to accommodate carrying anything other than my full size 1911. This is a Gen 3 Glock 26 with a Pierce+2 extender.

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You can see here how I pull my pants up a little more so you get an idea of where the belt rides in relation to the holster iteself.
 

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I think a lot has to do with the weapon..full size and compact's carry best at 1:00 o'clock in my opinion for the following reasons...

1st..12 to 3:00 o'clock offers the widest body area for concealment of the handle and the weapon rides closest to your body in this position.

2nd...easier to access and quickest of access points if you need your weapon quickly.

3rd...with proper attire (pattern printed shirts) you can carry in a tucked position without anyone ever knowing.

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