Nope. I live in an urban area and I'm pretty sure my neighbors don't even know I own a firearm. Even broaching the subject with people I've known for decades has resulted in suspicion and strained relationships. Although in all fairness two have circled back around and asked for advice on purchasing their first firearm recently - all the cool kids are doing it now you know. I really need to get out of this place...
Coordinated plans in the event of martial law or mass civil unrest?
I live in a small town in Tennessee. Recently, several of us who are very like minded got together and discussed what we could do as a town in the event of mass civil unrest. In other words, how we could defend the town and keep the dregs of humanity tat would poor out of the large city just down to the interstate out of our town.
Also, what the plan might be should some event cause martial law to be declared or the DHS decided to put those 2 billion rounds of ammo and 2,700 armored personnel carriers to use for some illegal actions.
It was an extremely interesting meeting. I think we came up with some good ideas and some very good plans on how to prepare for disaster either natural or man made.
Anyone else out there doing this kind of thing in their community?
Also, what the plan might be should some event cause martial law to be declared or the DHS decided to put those 2 billion rounds of ammo and 2,700 armored personnel carriers to use for some illegal actions.
It was an extremely interesting meeting. I think we came up with some good ideas and some very good plans on how to prepare for disaster either natural or man made.
Anyone else out there doing this kind of thing in their community?
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Yes, at least my house in NH. Many of us have formed an informal co-op (for lack of a better term) that we have used to live right now. Everyone contributes. Hunters (about everybody but me LOL) share food, most have farmland and share crops. Milk is from local dairy cows. We pretty much can sustain ourselves during the most traumatic SHTF scenario barring nuclear fallout or such similiar event.
All have back up generators with fuel. Of course there is a diversity of trades and skills. Nurses, doctor, carpenters, actuall old time woodsmiths, plumbers. etc.... I am actually one of the few with military experience and the only with extensive training for a shtf scenario.
NH is my bug out place to go...winter or summer.
BTW: When I got her last week for vacation my neighbors stocked me up with fresh veggies and fruit and dairy. Though not a meat eater, I tend to be more carnivourous when alone (wife is not here yet) so I have some moose sauage and steaks in the freezer!
All have back up generators with fuel. Of course there is a diversity of trades and skills. Nurses, doctor, carpenters, actuall old time woodsmiths, plumbers. etc.... I am actually one of the few with military experience and the only with extensive training for a shtf scenario.
NH is my bug out place to go...winter or summer.
BTW: When I got her last week for vacation my neighbors stocked me up with fresh veggies and fruit and dairy. Though not a meat eater, I tend to be more carnivourous when alone (wife is not here yet) so I have some moose sauage and steaks in the freezer!
Paranoia runs deep, into your heart it will creep...
I think the key lyric in this song isParanoia runs deep, into your heart it will creep...
"step out of line, the man come and take you away"
Just remember...in the case of martial law you will be under a state of "National Emergency" and not allowed to carry a firearm..and I know you and your town folks are a law abiding persons...........:rofl::rofl:
If the government is coming to rural NH, or any other rural place in this country of no significance, to enforce martial law, we are in a situation that would exceed even the most paranoid minds definition of what a SHTF scenario is.:smile:Just remember...in the case of martial law you will be under a state of "National Emergency" and not allowed to carry a firearm..and I know you and your town folks are a law abiding persons...........:rofl::rofl:
These sort of conversations sort a amuse and scare me at the same time....
" how we could defend the town and keep the dregs of humanity tat would poor out of the large city just down to the interstate out of our town."
...these dregs of humanity will include doctors, factory workers, store owners, the guy from Walmart all with kids and babies and families in tow. I think we all ould like to think we will whip out our Ar's and save the day like on the movies but I THINK the reality will be so different than anything I see in SHTF posts. Who would shoot a man looking for milk for his baby? Under what rule of law will someone decide their town is not off limits to anyone not from there? Will these people kill to stop them from entering?
IF the answer to the above is yes, what about when the rule of law returns? I can just see this one.... Lawyer says "So Mr. Prepper, you killed the father of a 4 yo and infant because he came into your town looking for formula?"
" how we could defend the town and keep the dregs of humanity tat would poor out of the large city just down to the interstate out of our town."
...these dregs of humanity will include doctors, factory workers, store owners, the guy from Walmart all with kids and babies and families in tow. I think we all ould like to think we will whip out our Ar's and save the day like on the movies but I THINK the reality will be so different than anything I see in SHTF posts. Who would shoot a man looking for milk for his baby? Under what rule of law will someone decide their town is not off limits to anyone not from there? Will these people kill to stop them from entering?
IF the answer to the above is yes, what about when the rule of law returns? I can just see this one.... Lawyer says "So Mr. Prepper, you killed the father of a 4 yo and infant because he came into your town looking for formula?"
Those same people you talk of will might also use acts of violence to take your stuff away also...did you think of that? In thes movies you see it goes both ways.These sort of conversations sort a amuse and scare me at the same time....
" how we could defend the town and keep the dregs of humanity tat would poor out of the large city just down to the interstate out of our town."
...these dregs of humanity will include doctors, factory workers, store owners, the guy from Walmart all with kids and babies and families in tow. I think we all ould like to think we will whip out our Ar's and save the day like on the movies but I THINK the reality will be so different than anything I see in SHTF posts. Who would shoot a man looking for milk for his baby? Under what rule of law will someone decide their town is not off limits to anyone not from there? Will these people kill to stop them from entering?
IF the answer to the above is yes, what about when the rule of law returns? I can just see this one.... Lawyer says "So Mr. Prepper, you killed the father of a 4 yo and infant because he came into your town looking for formula?"
On a side note, the reason why I picked NH is (besides the fact I know the area and have lived there) is that I highly doubt most folks will be traveliing north, expecially in the winter. I did a thread on this before....about where is best to survive. And many folks agreed that going north would not be the norm.
http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/off-topic-humor-discussion/151176-where-best-live-shtf-scenario-rural-north-south-poll.html
Time for a real life story: Fellow here in Winston Salem NC...very wealthy...not a gun collector per say...has 3 very large 2 door gun safes in his home. 1 is for ammo, 1 is for rifles (multiple AR-15 styles included) and one is for handguns..probably has one of every caliber Glock made, plus so many more I could not guess..Large caliber revolvers included...The reason he has this collection is he believes the Guvment is coming for him and he needs to be ready.
I would not say he's crazy, but he is different in a lack of reasoning sort of way.
People like HIM scare people like ME
I would not say he's crazy, but he is different in a lack of reasoning sort of way.
People like HIM scare people like ME
Why would he scare YOU? Because he thinks differently? You said he is not crazy, just different.Time for a real life story: Fellow here in Winston Salem NC...very wealthy...not a gun collector per say...has 3 very large 2 door gun safes in his home. 1 is for ammo, 1 is for rifles (multiple AR-15 styles included) and one is for handguns..probably has one of every caliber Glock made, plus so many more I could not guess..Large caliber revolvers included...The reason he has this collection is he believes the Guvment is coming for him and he needs to be ready.
I would not say he's crazy, but he is different in a lack of reasoning sort of way.
People like HIM scare people like ME
Of course I did! The question remains, who has the right (if that is the proper word) to bar someone, many someone's from entering a public town, looking for food and water? Will you kill to stop these people from entering a space/ area you have no real right to stop them (murder)? And to your point yes they might use violence to take your stuff. Are you prepared to use violence to proactively stop them?
I have no answers... just questions that have no easy answers.
I have no answers... just questions that have no easy answers.
Those same people you talk of will might also use acts of violence to take your stuff away also...did you think of that? In thes movies you see it goes both ways.
I have a word of caution for TMike. I know from numerous posts that you are a solid good guy. Probably the
folks you speak with are also solid good and well intentioned people.
Still, there is a potential huge problem with posting about your discussions. That problem isn't that others will learn of your
plans ahead of time. The problem revolves about what SCXDM9 posted-- what will happen when law returns if it does.
Suppose this SHTF scenario were to be relatively local. Maybe TN wide and partly in neighboring states. Eventually
the law will return and there will be a record of planning --which at the moment you are proud of. Unfortunately, after
the event, that record could be used to lodge conspiracy to commit murder charges against everyone in your group. If one
of you goes off and foolishly or mistakenly kills an innocent, that will go on all of you.
What you are speaking of would only be viable if you could be assured that law and order as we know it will never ever
return. Worse, if that actually were the situation, I don't believe it would be long before your group starts to turn on each other.
Our society is brittle, and I don't think very many of us will survive a true doomsday event. And maybe we wouldn't want to.
folks you speak with are also solid good and well intentioned people.
Still, there is a potential huge problem with posting about your discussions. That problem isn't that others will learn of your
plans ahead of time. The problem revolves about what SCXDM9 posted-- what will happen when law returns if it does.
Suppose this SHTF scenario were to be relatively local. Maybe TN wide and partly in neighboring states. Eventually
the law will return and there will be a record of planning --which at the moment you are proud of. Unfortunately, after
the event, that record could be used to lodge conspiracy to commit murder charges against everyone in your group. If one
of you goes off and foolishly or mistakenly kills an innocent, that will go on all of you.
What you are speaking of would only be viable if you could be assured that law and order as we know it will never ever
return. Worse, if that actually were the situation, I don't believe it would be long before your group starts to turn on each other.
Our society is brittle, and I don't think very many of us will survive a true doomsday event. And maybe we wouldn't want to.
All warfare is based on deception........ Sun Tzu.
Engage people with what they expect; it is what they are able to discern and confirms their projections. It settles them into predictable patterns of response, occupying their minds while you wait for the extraordinary moment..... that which they cannot anticipate. Sun Tzu.
Sound familiar?
Engage people with what they expect; it is what they are able to discern and confirms their projections. It settles them into predictable patterns of response, occupying their minds while you wait for the extraordinary moment..... that which they cannot anticipate. Sun Tzu.
Sound familiar?
What court? What lawyer? Didn't you read the SHTF and all that infrastructure is gone those "pillars of Justice" will be long gone - hiding in their own bunkers.:tongue:These sort of conversations sort a amuse and scare me at the same time....
" how we could defend the town and keep the dregs of humanity tat would poor out of the large city just down to the interstate out of our town."
...these dregs of humanity will include doctors, factory workers, store owners, the guy from Walmart all with kids and babies and families in tow. I think we all ould like to think we will whip out our Ar's and save the day like on the movies but I THINK the reality will be so different than anything I see in SHTF posts. Who would shoot a man looking for milk for his baby? Under what rule of law will someone decide their town is not off limits to anyone not from there? Will these people kill to stop them from entering?
IF the answer to the above is yes, what about when the rule of law returns? I can just see this one.... Lawyer says "So Mr. Prepper, you killed the father of a 4 yo and infant because he came into your town looking for formula?"
And in the OP's case the referred to man is the man from the hood. Still, one could apply some level of logic and view it as the "militia" in action.I think the key lyric in this song is
"step out of line, the man come and take you away"
Isn't there a TV show based on this very scenario?
Let me answer your question this way: Let's say by some far fetched chain of events the "guvment" does decide to single this man out and in his words "come for him". How many rounds of ammo, how many guns, and how many contingency plans do you have to have at your disposal to stop them?Why would he scare YOU? Because he thinks differently? You said he is not crazy, just different.
Fact is you will not stop them if that event ever were to really happen. What would happen is a lot of people will get killed probably and him most assuredly...
He scares me because I have no idea just how far or how deep his irrationality goes and does he think more people are out to get him..Irrational people with loaded gun's have always scared me and always will.
Ok, fear the unkown. You even see it being far fetched. I see your point but for me it takes a lot more than what you described to make me fearful. Re read your post. You have a man that hoards weapons and ammo because he thinks the goverment might come to take them. There are many out there that do that. How many folks on this forum jokingly say they lost thier guns in a boating accident? How many folks are hoarding ammo and buy more guns than they need, and state it on this forum.Let me answer your question this way: Let's say by some far fetched chain of events the "guvment" does decide to single this man out and in his words "come for him". How many rounds of ammo, how many guns, and how many contingency plans do you have to have at your disposal to stop them?
Fact is you will not stop them if that event ever were to really happen. What would happen is a lot of people will get killed probably and him most assuredly...
He scares me because I have no idea just how far or how deep his irrationality goes and does he think more people are out to get him..Irrational people with loaded gun's have always scared me and always will.
If you think about, a person needs a hand gun, a rifle, and a shotgun max to handle 99 percent of all situations. At what point is it irrational. Heck, it seems like half the folks here think that the government is coming for them with the ATT, assualt weapons ban, hi cap mag bans, background checks.
And who is this guy going to take out? If it turns into a blood bath when the "Government" come to take his guns, does it really matter if he has 1 or 100?
Quite hinestly, I am more afraid of some dim wits I see at the range than some dude that is hoarding weapons, has a mindset of many on this forum, and in your own words,,,,not crazy.
But..that is just me.
@dben002-- Your point is well taken, and I understand why you posted what you did. But, TNMike has been a long time participant here and is not as best I can tell over the net not an irrational person. These particular plans involving others are however unwise. There is a difference.
The reasoning behind making of these plans is more a matter of being misled about the odds and possibilities of a SHTF scenario than being irrational. Its a bit like building missiles to destroy asteroid which might impact the earth. That is a game of
probabilities, with the probabilities being on the rather low end of realistic.
I grew up in the days when people were buying and building and installing "fallout shelters" in the hopes of surviving
nuclear war with Russia. It is rather amusing when we look back at that era, isn't it.
The reasoning behind making of these plans is more a matter of being misled about the odds and possibilities of a SHTF scenario than being irrational. Its a bit like building missiles to destroy asteroid which might impact the earth. That is a game of
probabilities, with the probabilities being on the rather low end of realistic.
I grew up in the days when people were buying and building and installing "fallout shelters" in the hopes of surviving
nuclear war with Russia. It is rather amusing when we look back at that era, isn't it.
Yes...fallout shelters and tin foil on tv antenna's .... the "good old days"....and@dben002-- Your point is well taken, and I understand why you posted what you did. But, TNMike has been a long time participant here and is not as best I can tell over the net not an irrational person. These particular plans involving others are however unwise. There is a difference.
The reasoning behind making of these plans is more a matter of being misled about the odds and possibilities of a SHTF scenario than being irrational. Its a bit like building missiles to destroy asteroid which might impact the earth. That is a game of
probabilities, with the probabilities being on the rather low end of realistic.
I grew up in the days when people were buying and building and installing "fallout shelters" in the hopes of surviving
nuclear war with Russia. It is rather amusing when we look back at that era, isn't it.
My post has no connection with or to TNMike what so ever.... sorry if it seemed connected to him..
Probably used the wrong thread to relay my point....
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