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There was a near panic over an outbreak of "Ebola" in the US. It was even the subject of a movie.



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I read that book, "The Hot Zone" right after that happened. I was pretty sure at the time, that we would all be dead from Ebola by now.

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I've had a case of the Schlitz a few times.
I've heard of an STD where "bugs" are involved.

Any new subspecies could be called Busch Bugs. :lol:


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Although I'm not personally worried about this virus, I strongly suspect China is less than transparent about the extent of its spread and fatalities. China has clamped down on social media and other means of getting factual information out beyond its borders.
 

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Although I'm not personally worried about this virus, I strongly suspect China is less than transparent about the extent of its spread and fatalities. China has clamped down on social media and other means of getting factual information out beyond its borders.
Probably right. It seems like commie countries always lie about this kind of thing. China is racing to build hospitals right now. They have suspended taxes on some US made products like 3M face masks.

Second Chinese city has barred residents from leaving home:
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/second-chinese-city-bars-residents-leaving-their-homes-hong-kong-workers-demand-city

China enforcing quarantine by drone:
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/watch-how-china-enforcing-corona-quarantine-drone
 

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Just wait until this hits the homeless population in California...….just my thoughts. 7th case according to CDC in California.
Not worried about this at all. Thousands die from the flu each year.

This is much ado about nothing.
 

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I am starting to suspect that the panic over this is a media-created hype-fest. The death rate from this appears not to be much different from a serious strain of the flu, and definitely not as significant as the SARS outbreak from a few years ago. Certainly precautions should be taken for vulnerable populations (infants, elderly, immune-compromised), but beyond that, I'm not seeing this as something to panic about.

The hype over it is certainly tanking the stock market, though. Hmm....

(dons tinfoil hat...)
Maybe this is one way our enemies are trying to manipulate the outcome of the next election. Stir the pot, leave it to the US "entertainment" news media to hype the fears. Now with the UN's WHO declaring an international emergency, there will be more polarization ahead, hinging on the current administration's actions or inactions.
 

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I am starting to suspect that the panic over this is a media-created hype-fest. The death rate from this appears not to be much different from a serious strain of the flu, and definitely not as significant as the SARS outbreak from a few years ago. Certainly precautions should be taken for vulnerable populations (infants, elderly, immune-compromised), but beyond that, I'm not seeing this as something to panic about.

The hype over it is certainly tanking the stock market, though. Hmm....

(dons tinfoil hat...)
Instead of speculation, here's some actual facts:

Mortality of average influenza is around 0.1%, although it varies by a factor of 2-3 in either direction depending on the year.
Mortality of the 2019-nCov is about 1-2% which is almost the same as the 1918 influenza
Base reproductive rate (transmission factor) for average influenza is about 1.2-1.4 (meaning every person with disease will transmit it to an average of 1.2-1.4 other people)
For 2019nCov this number is 2.8 right now.

In summary, the mortality rate is 10-20 times higher than flu, transmission rate is 2+ times higher than flu, the coronavirus is airborne, while influenza is droplet-transmissible only, and we do not have any effective antiviral medicines to treat it unlike influenza for which we now have 2.

While we shouldn't panic, there is a real danger to this infection, and if it starts spreading through the general population without decreasing mortality (most often viruses get less virulent as they evolve into a pandemic) it could potentially be a disaster. Just imagine the possibility of 50+ million infections in the US at 2% mortality...
 

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That's a cynical and ridiculous poster.
By conflating the actual disease with either the press furor, or the research funding feeding frenzy that's fueled by political drive to address the said press furor, you do terrible disservice to the people who died of the disease, the science, the public opinion of science, and the world in general.
You make light of something you don't understand, and look ridiculous doing so.
Maybe try to be a little less like antigunners next time please.
 

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That's a cynical and ridiculous poster.
By conflating the actual disease with either the press furor, or the research funding feeding frenzy that's fueled by political drive to address the said press furor, you do terrible disservice to the people who died of the disease, the science, the public opinion of science, and the world in general.
You make light of something you don't understand, and look ridiculous doing so.
Maybe try to be a little less like antigunners next time please.

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That's a cynical and ridiculous poster.
By conflating the actual disease with either the press furor, or the research funding feeding frenzy that's fueled by political drive to address the said press furor, you do terrible disservice to the people who died of the disease, the science, the public opinion of science, and the world in general.
You make light of something you don't understand, and look ridiculous doing so.
Maybe try to be a little less like antigunners next time please.
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Instead of speculation, here's some actual facts:

Mortality of average influenza is around 0.1%, although it varies by a factor of 2-3 in either direction depending on the year.
Mortality of the 2019-nCov is about 1-2% which is almost the same as the 1918 influenza
Base reproductive rate (transmission factor) for average influenza is about 1.2-1.4 (meaning every person with disease will transmit it to an average of 1.2-1.4 other people)
For 2019nCov this number is 2.8 right now.

In summary, the mortality rate is 10-20 times higher than flu, transmission rate is 2+ times higher than flu, the coronavirus is airborne, while influenza is droplet-transmissible only, and we do not have any effective antiviral medicines to treat it unlike influenza for which we now have 2.

While we shouldn't panic, there is a real danger to this infection, and if it starts spreading through the general population without decreasing mortality (most often viruses get less virulent as they evolve into a pandemic) it could potentially be a disaster. Just imagine the possibility of 50+ million infections in the US at 2% mortality...
So far this is a chinese outbreak. Yes, it's a tragedy that it is taking a toll on their population, but so far the numbers are not that alarming.

The U.S. is NOT china. We have neither the population, nor the population density of china, nor is there much comparison in the quality of medical care that our general population has access to. We also have an order of magnitude more freedom to alter our personal behaviors and associations here in the U.S. than they have in china. When something like this occurs, if it becomes a real danger, people here have the option to voluntarily change their behaviors accordingly, and it is unlikely to maintain those numbers if it hits our shores in any significant way.

Again, I will think about being alarmed when there is something to be alarmed about. So far, not so much...
 

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So was talking to my son who is on a cruise ship working the bridge since December.
Said the ship just went on code red.
The crew can not eat same food as the passengers, they have to be served all their food including coffee, can’t get it themselves.
No unnecessary interaction with the passengers.
The officers are bitching because they get to eat passengers food and work out in the fancy gym, now they can’t.
He gets off the end of March.
Says ships company is being careful as they are sailing around the Hawaiian islands only and there are a lot of orientals there.
Also no one allowed to cruise or work on ship if your passport shows a trip to China in past 3 months.
 

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Back in 2005 I was infected with the Bird Flu. It was a very difficult time for me. No matter where I parked my car, by the time I got to the door I had to stop and leave a deposit on someone else's windshield. Embarrassing, to say the least. I hope no one else ever has to go through that!

Very distressing discussion. I will go back to my safe space now.
 

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So far this is a chinese outbreak. Yes, it's a tragedy that it is taking a toll on their population, but so far the numbers are not that alarming.

The U.S. is NOT china. We have neither the population, nor the population density of china, nor is there much comparison in the quality of medical care that our general population has access to. We also have an order of magnitude more freedom to alter our personal behaviors and associations here in the U.S. than they have in china. When something like this occurs, if it becomes a real danger, people here have the option to voluntarily change their behaviors accordingly, and it is unlikely to maintain those numbers if it hits our shores in any significant way.

Again, I will think about being alarmed when there is something to be alarmed about. So far, not so much...
One of the reasons it's less likely to become an epidemic is aggressive containment efforts. Given there are confirmed positives in the US, I guarantee you that it would spread without aggressive public health measures.
 
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