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Once again I think age plays a part, tho never was keen on being elbow to elbow with a loada strangers. My wife sometimes says ''Are we anti-social'' because we do not go out a whole lot - at least, not into crowded places.

I say ''no, we are just not hyper sociable'' - but we have friends, we bike a lot - I guess it is being choosy over who one spends time with.

Two or three weeks back, met my son and we went to county fair for tractor pulling - grandstand was fortunately not too crowded so we had space around us but at times in similar situations I have found myself crowded in - to point of discomfort. Now this is not to say that the crowd is full of BG's!! - probably a good bunch of folks for most part. but I do like my ''space'' - my personal zone of comfort if you will.

This translates too, to run-of-mill situations like checkout at store, queue at fast food place etc. I don't think it is a threat factor per se, no paranoia - more that it gives me less room for manouver. Feeling ''squeezed''.

So - I do not from choice these days go into such situations - maybe it is a wish to better be able to flee a threat zone if needed - a means to be able to avoid confrontation should it occur.

Even if I were a ball game freak (which I ain't) I doubt I would go to a game to watch - for this very reason, as well as possibly not being able to carry.

Yep - age is catchin' up - and I like my space! :smile:
 

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Sounds a lot like my wife and I, Chris.

Crowds didn't used to bother me, although I do recall a strong feeling of "not belonging" amongst large groups of folks unless I happened to be attending with several friends.

These days if someone were to give me tickets to something like a University of Nebraska football game (80,000 folks) I wouldn't even consider going.

I didn't even stick around very long at the awards ceremony at the recent Area 3 USPSA match, even though I worked the match (plus 2 days prior on setup crew) as a RO. Way too many strangers for my comfort level.

My wife has a very strong particular dislike for movie theaters...much rather watch anything at home on the 51" screen with home theater sound. Matters not if we have to wait a few months.

Go to a bar? Gotta be kidding! Talk about prime time confrontation opportunities. Thanks, but no thanks!

Sometimes I think I ought to spend some time on a shrink's couch discussing my relationship with my Mom. My wife thinks it would probably screw me up worse than I already am. She's probably right.
 

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Ditto, I hate crowds. We used to go to COMDEX in Las Vegas every year and, while it was an interesting show, the crowd drove me nuts. I felt teh same way at the SHOT Show, but, like COMDEX, the wow factor got me through it without much thought. Theaters, concerts, crowded shopping at Christmas and the like is avoided by me like the plague. Unless Prospector is here for a visit, over 90% of the time I go somewhere, my wife is with me and we both feel the same way about crowds....
 

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Wait your supposed to leave the house and go out where you might run into crowds??

Must be what im doing wrong i rarely go out cant stand people pretty much in general work with the public all day ya want to not deal with anyone after work
 

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You think it's bad here try going to other countries where they have no concept of personal space at all. They jostle, bump and press into you. When they wait in line they are all but and sometimes are touching you. When they talk to you they are uncomfortably close. Sometimes it makes me want to :chairshot

I tend to avoid crowds though. Biggest crowd I've been in was at a NASCAR race. It wasn't bad though.

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Crowds......... That's why I don't go near a mall between Thanksgiving and New Years! :eek:
 

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I grew up in the country and I feel uncomfortable in a large crowd. - not that you will never catch me in a large crowd but I avoid them whenever I can.

I was carrying in New Orleans (Bourbon Street actually) last year. There was practically no way to use my CCW since I was in a sea of people and firing a shot would be likely to endanger innocents. (That's, of course, if there ARE any innocent people on Bourbon Street! :biggrin: )

I also think that maybe big crowds offer protection for BGs since they can take off and blend into the crowd.

I guess I just don't like feeling like cattle (or sheep!).
 

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I am what most people refer to as a "private" person. In other words if you're not in my inner circle I'm fairly stand-offish. This makes it difficult to meet new people, which I like to do. What makes it more difficult is even though I'm a nice guy, I'm relatively large (6'3", 270 lbs) and I don't smile much so I look like I'm ticked off all the time.

Conversely my girlfriend is beautiful and friendly and it drives her nuts that I'm always giving people "dirty looks". I try to explain that they are not dirty, that's just the way I look at people. She doesn't get it, and the meatheads in the bar, pool hall, movie theatre or mall always think I want to fight. It's really not my style. Anyway...enough rambling from the new guy, just wanted to get a bit of my personality out there so I can meet new people...without them thinking I'm a jerk.

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I think Americans tend to like their "space". I find euorpeans like to have physical contact which I don't like. I don't shy away from crowds but I am more aware of my surroundings when in one.
 

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I find crowds very uncomfortable. The crowds in Barcelona just about drove me nuts. I was a head taller than anyone around me and made an easy target. People tried to pick my pockets every time I went out in public. I hated the street crime.

My favorite camping spot is in a park where they only get about 200 people a year. You have to hike several miles to get there, or go by boat - no vehicles, and you have to pack in your own water. That discourages most folks from going. It's great. I have a stretch of wild ocean beach all to myself.
 

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People are collectively stupid. Crowds can be very, very dangerous is something touches them off. I work a lot of major sporting events, and I have been in the middle of a sports riot. It was not a fun place to be. I try to avoid large crowds when I can, and I really try to avoid large crowds where alcohol is flowing.
 

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Lee - you touch on something I did not emphasize earlier.

Indeed - a crowd that gets cranked up is more than dangerous - and if trapped within there can be no escape. Mob mentality, mob hysteria - call it what you will - I want nothing of that.

Back in UK I used to see football match hooliganism - and was often horrified at the behavior of folks. If honest I find 90% of the human race something I wish to avoid!! May sound wierd or very arrogant but I do not have time for the big majority!

It's called ''expedient avoidance'' :biggrin:
 

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Chris,

A large mass of people can be very difficult to deal with even when being somewhat semi-cooperative. It's amazing what people will do in the name of "their team". I enjoy sports, but my self esteem is not tied up in whether my college's football team wins the National Championship (we are the defending champs by the way :) ). If they win I'm sure not going to destroy my campus. If we loose, I'm not going to destroy my campus. I'm not going to destroy the city and violate landmarks and such.
 

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Another positive factor of stying away from crowds/large groups is not having to put up with cigarette smoke. EEEEWWWWW!
 

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I don't like crowds. Granted, I'm a very short guy (under 5'4), so I havta look up to EVERYBODY! I'm not intimidated with it and don't get 'clausterphobic' per se, but I like to be able to control the personal space around me and it's a difficult thing to do when you're 'vertically challenged'.
 

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Me too ! Hate crowds ! Hate big cities (=crowded). They keep widening/adding new roads in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area.....IMHO, they are taking the wrong tactics.....need to git rid of most of the highways and narrow all the rest to two lanes. I figure people will get fed up and move somewhere else. Then it'd be less "crowded". I might actually visit Dallas then!:tongue:
 

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I look out for funnels. Before the croud tightens up to go through a gate, the pick pockets can jostle, hit, and still get away. When waiting in lines, I turn slightly so my strong side is toward the back of the people in front of me, leaving a bit of space. I'm able to protect the gun with my strong elbow, and my weak arm can fend people coming from behind. They usually don't get to close to me though, after they see my zombie look.
 

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Well, it's good to know that Chris (P95) and I aren't the only ones. My wife and I were talking about this last week. We just call ourselves homebodies. We like to stay at home and do our thing.

Today was our 28th anniversary so we rode to a town about 75 miles away to go to Steak & Shake. She is a very finicky eater and Steak & Shake is one of the places she likes alot. I like the strawberry milkshake best of all. We did a little shopping and she ended up buying a Kel-Tec P11 for herself.

We just don't like crowds. We have our friends, and we will meet new people occasionally, but we do not go to events, nor are we the type to visit someone else's home frequently. The biggest crowd I get in anymore are at gunshows. That is usually ok. I know some of the people I will see and I know some of the people who will be working so it remains a sort of intimate gathering. There will be people who have similar interests and guns and I can relate to them fairly well. Next weekend we will go to a local rodeo. It is the 11th annual and our first. I am going because one of the students who has resently been stopping by the library for counsel will be riding and she asked if I was going. For her my wife and I will go. Fortunately the crowd though large for our little town is not really large compared to the ones I had to contend with in New Orleans. My wife and I often comment on how (to paraphrase an old song) don't know what it means to miss New Orleans. We miss family and friends from there. And I miss the food, but the city itself we don't miss.

Is there a pattern here. I think so. Now the question is were we always crowd haters and that helped to move us toward being concealed carriers, or has our increased situational awareness as concealed carriers caused us to become crowd haters. From reading I think I see some of each, but that is a question that we each would have to answer. I'll start. I was always a crowd hater.
 

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That is the main reason we sold our house in town and built a house in the middle of 200 acres. living in Tract homes it just always felt like every one was in your space and your business.

We went to the Apricot festival today and lots of Crowds and it was hot. Very uncomfortable, the only good thing about it was that I was able to be carrying. Many drunk people Causing Problems and L E everywhere and very busy. I was able to Carry my G26 in the CTAC at Three o'clock. Shorts and a tank top and concealed very well. The family didn't even know I was carrying. Anyways I guess all of us feel about the same "stay out of our personal space!
 

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Please don't get jealous or angry.

After working for 26 years in the worst job in the world, I retired - sold my home - and left Kalifornia.

The wife and I moved to a small town in Oklahoma.

Population - 1000 people.

Actualy we live just out of town by 2 miles. I live where I look out my front window and see empty fields, and the same in the rear of our place.

There are six houses in our area and we have 200 feet between each one. My neighbors all go to work so we are alone.

If I want to practice shooting - I step out back and go at it.

I do get regular practice at keeping animals out of my garden.

One mile south of me there is a creek with Deer and Pigs and Coyotes.

Three miles south is the Red River.

Crowds - not here. Our Town only has about 8 active bussinesses.

It is so quiet at night you can hear the cricketts pass gas - well not that quiet but almost.

There are places left to get away from crowds still if you search for them.

Advantages of a small town - Peace, quiet, inexspensive to live, ability for gun practice, and freindly neighbors.

Disadvantages - have to drive to go to town, close knit gossips.

All in all I Love It, and no smog, sirens, boom boxes, loud music from neighbors, etc.

I hope you all end up with a good place to retire like i did.

My home price $35,000 with one acre of land, try that in a crowded area. Taxes $235 per year and soon to be less. My home is all electric and my normal bill is about $89 per month.
 
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