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Any folks here remember early days of puter programming?

If, then, else. Go sub. - etc?

When we are faced with an encounter I feel I can draw parallels - in as much as our assessment must first off be rapid, probably in the extreme - and also probably utilize such simple computations as mentioned above.

We see potential threat - and ask ourselves ''If'' the threat is indeed threat, and enough to require a response.

Should that be affirmative ''then'' we must decide an action, ''else'' consequences, perhaps.

If we get this far then ''Go sub'' - which will take us to sub routines including - get hell outa Dodge. Take immediate cover. Draw and fire.. etc. many possible sub routines.

Bottom line tho which always provides me much food for thought - is, will there be enough time?. We can all say - ''yeah well, training will take over''. So it might, in a classic cut'n'dried case where there is a gun all but in our face but - not all situations need be that clear cut.

Concern is over making right decision, fast .... seeing as making the wrong one could mean our demise or ending up in jail - two total extremes. I have mentioned around this subject before so apolgies it ain't new, just another slant.

Thinking time (computing time!) is a luxury that may not be there - all I know is I sure would want to make the right decision but sometimes wonder ............
 

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You can think it though a lot but still you will never know for sure what youll do or how you will react.

We all hope we make the right decision

Not sure what you could do to try to speed up you though process other than thinking things though from time to tima nd taking FOF course's
 

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Sadly, many defensive shooters will make their mental decisions far quicker than they can gain real access to their carry firearm.

Oftentimes there is a serious "lag time" between having made the correct decision to act & being physically able to.

That always requires work & at least weekly realistic practice.

Many carry folks are moderately or severely handicapped by their chosen mode of primary carry.

I know this for a fact and that it's true but, it's not my life obligation to harp on it too much.
 

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Many carry folks are moderately or severely handicapped by their chosen mode of primary carry.
Qk - do expand. Are you meaning their chosen platform? Or their rig? Both? Or just maybe their lack of suitable training etc.

I sure know some cases where both platform and carry mode are far from ideal!
 

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only their Proctologist knows its there
Bwhahaha - bad as that eh? LOL :18:

Reminds me - today I made a comment to my wife re my step son - who was being somewhat anal about something - ''If he got his head outa his a$$ he might be surprised that daylight is not injurious to health''!!! :wink:
 

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Had a guy tell me he carrys one by his um Tool figures bad guy would never know its there .. i figure you will never get the gun out
 

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So. . . . When she ask, "Is that a gun in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?" He'lll just smile and say, "Its a gun." :embarassed:

Hmmmmmm. . . .

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P95Carry,

Re: Your first post in this thread.

Old enough? My first 'puter ran on TrisDos, Rat-Shack's proprietary version of DOS. :icon_neutral:

The older I get, the more I seem have reduced my decision making process to a simpler, almost "binary" form. Note my new "sig."

I do not spend much time second-guessing myself any more, nor do I worry about how I might act. As long as I'm around to give an after-action report, its all good.

And so far, so good.

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"Is that a gun in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?"
Mike - my answer - ''yep it's a gun and, - I am glad to see you'' LOL!

As I get ever older I wonder - shall I stay binary or go hex! Yes indeed - if we can give an after-action report that has to be good, but I still worry as to whether that might be from some jail somewhere!! if I got things wrong!

DOS - yep - on that at early stages but hey - what about Basic and QBasic - I was diggin' back to that stuff - IIRC Commodore ''Pet'' 64 and that kinda primitive gear!

I even started boning up on machine code way (way) back - powerful but got tired of the effort LOL!
 

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P95:

You bring up a great question, however I believe you must:
- Master and practice the fundamentals & execute them.
- Develop a combative mindset.
- Train under stress. Mindset.
- Develop or have a plan, are you prepared to act? You must know in your mind what you are willing to do if the situtation presents.

This is a brief overview. CCW is an important decision, more than carrying a weapon.
 

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P95Carry said:
Any folks here remember early days of puter programming?
Heh...fortran and cobol on punch cards? Pascal was the death of me.

But I still remember algorithms and flow charts...and to this day they aid me in everything from engineering calcs to dark parking lots.
It seems to be the best way to describe the way I think, so I latched right on to what you are saying.

Many of those simple computations we do subconciously...I think threat assesment and response is something we do on many levels...past experience, training, general condition, specific immediate situation...of everything that comes into play I think the majority of it is subconcious.

And I think that's a good thing...all the if/thens and branches and subroutines happen while we observe and act. What some might call an emotional or gut reaction is actually a reasoned response.

I can't seem to describe exactly what I'm thinking, but maybe that gives an idea.

Must be the season... :smiley2: :rolleyes:
 

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LOAD "CCWSCENARIOS",8,1

10 A$=0
20 PRINT"THE C64 WAS COOL, AND I STILL HAVE A COUPLE IN STORAGE"
30 A$=A$ +1
40 IF A$=20 THEN GOTO 60
50 GOTO 20
60 END


RUN

THE C64 WAS COOL, AND I STILL HAVE A COUPLE IN STORAGE
THE C64 WAS COOL, AND I STILL HAVE A COUPLE IN STORAGE
THE C64 WAS COOL, AND I STILL HAVE A COUPLE IN STORAGE
THE C64 WAS COOL, AND I STILL HAVE A COUPLE IN STORAGE
THE C64 WAS COOL, AND I STILL HAVE A COUPLE IN STORAGE
THE C64 WAS COOL, AND I STILL HAVE A COUPLE IN STORAGE
THE C64 WAS COOL, AND I STILL HAVE A COUPLE IN STORAGE
THE C64 WAS COOL, AND I STILL HAVE A COUPLE IN STORAGE
THE C64 WAS COOL, AND I STILL HAVE A COUPLE IN STORAGE
THE C64 WAS COOL, AND I STILL HAVE A COUPLE IN STORAGE
THE C64 WAS COOL, AND I STILL HAVE A COUPLE IN STORAGE
THE C64 WAS COOL, AND I STILL HAVE A COUPLE IN STORAGE
THE C64 WAS COOL, AND I STILL HAVE A COUPLE IN STORAGE
THE C64 WAS COOL, AND I STILL HAVE A COUPLE IN STORAGE
THE C64 WAS COOL, AND I STILL HAVE A COUPLE IN STORAGE
THE C64 WAS COOL, AND I STILL HAVE A COUPLE IN STORAGE
THE C64 WAS COOL, AND I STILL HAVE A COUPLE IN STORAGE
THE C64 WAS COOL, AND I STILL HAVE A COUPLE IN STORAGE
THE C64 WAS COOL, AND I STILL HAVE A COUPLE IN STORAGE


Btw P95, good thread.
 

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Bryan - LOL! Nice one!! :18:
 

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I realize I'm a "newbie" to the Forum and the CCW-world in general, but I'd think that you could increase your chances of making the right decision when push comes to shove.

Seems to me that most agree on the need for "reaction drill" training. But if those training sessions only cover "who to shoot first" scenarios, you may be creating a problem.

If you included "shoot-or-no-shoot" instances in the reaction drills, it might go a long way towards adding to your confidence about making the right choice in a crisis situation.

By the way, P95Carry, I just posted a review on Bryan's book, Welcome to the Real World that you expressed an interest in, down in the "Books" section of the Forum. When you do read that one, I'd like to know your take on it.

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Mike - thx I'll go check that out. I received Bryan's book a while ago but have to confess to not having anywhere near finished it - made worse by being into two other books at same time and - all the rest of the stuff I seem to be involved with.!!

What I have read so far I like.
 

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I know this for a fact and that it's true but, it's not my life obligation to harp on it too much.
It seems that the general consensus is...harp, please, sir.

We are sometimes handicapped by circumstances, or maybe even attitude...
Surely something worthy of discussion.
 

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I thought That I Was Being Pretty Clear

First Of all I apologize for not answering this quicker. Somehow I neglected to revisit this particular thread.
Since I hate tons of pop ups & "notifications"
I negotiate this forum by memory only....usually that works OK...sometimes it does not.

Actually, it's not all that ominous. Some people have made decisions on how they want or need to carry their primary that will severely handicap them should they ever need to gain fast access to that firearm. They will not be able to get that weapon clear & on target in 1.5 seconds OR less.

They will have "made the decision" that they need their firearm.
They will have processed the mental decision that said firearm is needed & they will not be able to get to it...before possible time runs out.
That critical "Lag Time" no matter if their carry method is of necessity or choice might/will cost them dearly in many situations.

If a Carry Individual is packing in a Kramer Confident or way down deep in the Family Jewels or in the majority of ankle rigs or w/ some IWB holsters they are not physically able to gain access to that firearm as soon as they very likely will know they need it.

Please Compound That Crisis by adding Panic, Adrenaline Pump, Gloves, Button Down Coat, Shirt Tails Tucked In, & on & on.

It's just my personal opinion that if a defensive shooter cannot clear their respective method of carry and be up on threat/target in 1.5 seconds or LESS (on a good day) then they sure are not going to be able to do it on the worst of days.

That is my opinion & it will never change.
A Real Life $hit Hit The Fan situation does not care if you needed to secrete your firearm down there in your jingle berries or not and the situation does not care if it's cold outside & you needed to Bundle Up.

Of course, I realize that some folks have no "choice" but, do they really have no other options? I wonder about that.

So anyway...that is my basic opinion. My opinion is that any carry mode or style of dress that requires 1.5 seconds or more "Ready On Target" is automatically unacceptable.
I usually keep it to myself BECAUSE (in the past) I've been accused of being Self Righteous & pompous & arrogant for stating that some methods of carry are "worse than garbage" & absolutely, undeniably, useless for immediate, necessary, self~defense.

And usually the rebuttal is "Well, it's better for me to have the firearm than to leave it at home....and maybe it takes a lot longer to get to it but, at least...whine whine whine...."
and that is peachy keen with me BUT, I hope they never actually need it in a hurry. The only thing that saves them is that STATISTICALLY people do not get violently attacked that often. That is the only thing that keeps them safe and NOT their firearm. They are packing a thumb sucking security blanket and not a defensive weapon.

I KNOW I made myself clear now...huh? :image035:

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Thx QK - I am in agreement as to the main principle and follow same myself - even to the point where I will be distinctly cold because I have all garment layers open so as to access the OWB.

I have been wearing a pullover of late and that sometimes under an open shirt - but the pullover is pulled up and behind the rig and gun. I hate any barrier to access.

I do try and remember tho that not all folks can be as laid back and relaxed with their carry as I am - and so have to resort to near subterfuge - meaning that sadly their access is compromized, quite severely - but hey - catch 22, rock and hard place - sometimes choices are limited.

Folks have to do the very best they can - with extant circumstances.
 
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