[orangevol]

Yesterday I had an appointment with my doctor who is in a very well known Cardiology group in Germantown, TN.

At the end of my exam I asked her why they had a "No Guns" sign on the outside door of the clinic. This was my 2nd appointment with her and like the 1st time, I disarmed before entering the building. On this visit I explained to her I was licensed to carry and was disappointed that I had to disarm when coming to her office. She said she understood and thanked me for leaving my handgun in the car.

She explained the sign went up a couple of years ago after an incident involving a patient who had a TN handgun carry permit, was armed, and brandished his weapon after getting frustrated with his lengthy wait to see his doctor. She said the police were called and the man was disarmed and escorted out of the building by a few Germantown Police SWAT officers.

This was very frustrating to hear that an irrational HCP holder was responsible for the loss of my and other legal carriers' rights in this facility. Fortunately I only have to see her 2 times a year.

 

[lance22]

Forming an opinion about something based on the behavior of one idiot is called 'prejudice'.

 

[TX-JB]

Forming an opinion about something based on the behavior of one idiot is called 'prejudice'.

So if someone starts carrying because they were a victim of a crime, their carrying is based on 'prejudice'? :blink:

I don't think so...:nono:

I understand their decision, based upon the incident...I may not agree with it, but it's their property, so I can respect that...:yup:

 

[KaH]

^^ Although it does make the facility's decision to ban guns on premises a little more understandable. Not smart, per se, but understandable. If a bear came *that* close to mauling you as a small child, you may grow up not wanting to be around bears again, even trained bears (or perhaps even with a solid barrier between you and the bear).
Sucks when one stupid guy ruins it for everyone else though...

 

[Bm7b5]

Like it or not, as the number of CCW permitees increases, the number of idiots with a ccw license will increase. This in turn is guaranteed to eventually cause some high-profile cases of ccw holders doing very bad things. That in turn will create political pressure to restrict ccw permits. Where we'll end up I don't know, but around and around we will go...

 

[lance22]

So if someone starts carrying because they were a victim of a crime, their carrying is based on 'prejudice'? :blink:

I don't think so...:nono:

I understand their decision, based upon the incident...I may not agree with it, but it's their property, so I can respect that...:yup:

I see where you are coming from and I think you make a good point. In my own mind, I carry out of principle and not any one personal experience. But you are correct.

 

[shooterX]

I can understand the docs postion, don't agree, but I can see her side of the issue. Would be a non-issue here, as SC does not permit CC in doctors offices or hospitals.

 

[puncho]

So when the next "bad apple" shows up and begins shooting people, who's going to stop him?

 

[tns0038]

With the same mentality I worry about some “idiot” who has a CCL opening fire in a mall to stop a purse snatcher and killing an innocent bystander.

The outcome could change public opinion, and get legislatures to terminate civilian CCL in that state, and then it could spread across the nation like wildfire.

 

[ppkheat]

Bad situation, though ultimately "bad apples" won't pay attention to the sign that was posted. I guess the sign would give some a warm and fuzzy feeling, but how has it really helped?

Too bad about some idiot, using poor judgment, and ruined it for others, but there are no guarantees that idiots don't exist in all walks of life.

 

[BikerRN]

Like it or not, as the number of CCW permitees increases, the number of idiots with a ccw license will increase. This in turn is guaranteed to eventually cause some high-profile cases of ccw holders doing very bad things. That in turn will create political pressure to restrict ccw permits. Where we'll end up I don't know, but around and around we will go...

Spot on mate. :hand10:

 

[aric]

She explained the sign went up a couple of years ago after an incident involving a patient who had a TN handgun carry permit, was armed, and brandished his weapon after getting frustrated with his lengthy wait to see his doctor. She said the police were called and the man was disarmed and escorted out of the building by a few Germantown Police SWAT officers.

Did you verify this with local records? Sounds like the doctor had a canned response story for the sign.

 

[HKinNY]

Maybe next time ask the good Dr. would she be willing to remove the sign? Give CCW'ers a second chance. Maybe offer her a free trip to the range sometime.

 

[snip]

I can understand the docs postion, don't agree, but I can see her side of the issue. Would be a non-issue here, as SC does not permit CC in doctors offices or hospitals.

By default you dont have the ability to carry but if you have permission from whoever is in charge of the facility you can carry in hospitals (good luck pulling that one off) or in a doctors office (much easier if it is a small office).

 

[chrise2004]

Forming an opinion about something based on the behavior of one idiot is called 'prejudice'.

+1 Exactly where i was going to be heading with my post.

 

[orangevol]

Did you verify this with local records? Sounds like the doctor had a canned response story for the sign.

I have no reason to believe my Dr. would fabricate this story.

 

[JerryM]

I suspect she does not have a good background in "guns." In her shoes I would probably do the same thing.

It doesn't take many bad apples to ruin it for everyone. Sometimes one is enough.
Regards,
Jerry

 

[orangevol]

Maybe next time ask the good Dr. would she be willing to remove the sign? Give CCW'ers a second chance. Maybe offer her a free trip to the range sometime.

Would be nice, but she is just part of a large Cardiovascular group that owns the 2 story facility. The "No Gun" sign complete with gun and / in circle are etched into the glass on the both sides of the doors at each entrance.

I'll think about the offer to take her to the range. This might be easier to do if she was a guy. :yup:

One thing I didn't point out in my original post is that she said this facility does have internal undercover security.

 

[Eagleks]

She explained the sign went up a couple of years ago after an incident involving a patient who had a TN handgun carry permit, was armed, and brandished his weapon after getting frustrated with his lengthy wait to see his doctor. She said the police were called and the man was disarmed and escorted out of the building by a few Germantown Police SWAT officers.

Based upon that logic, after Ft Hood we should disarm all of the military. Oh, geez... they were. I think I would have suggested that anyone could "illegally" carry or carry a gun in anyway, it was faulty logic, as the "sign" was not going to protect anyone from an idiot. Then I would have suggested a CCH class to her and if she was "cute", would have asked if she would like to go the range with me.

 

[paramedic70002]

Ask her this:

If one of her surgery patients dies on the table ( has a 'poor outcome' is how Doctors like to say it), will she stop doing surgery? Will she only take the cases that are survivable? Or will she work that much harder to save all her patients. Can she predict which of her patients is at risk for heart attack before the first visit?

As an educated woman, I would hope she could appreciate the corollary.