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Would you "announce" to a threat, or show, that you have a gun?

  • Yes, I would put my hand where my gun is, or sweep my cover garment.

    Votes: 2 2.0%
  • Yes, I would draw and brandish the firearm.

    Votes: 2 2.0%
  • Yes, I would say "I have a gun, back off" without displaying the firearm.

    Votes: 1 1.0%
  • Yes, I would say "I have a gun" and display the weapon.

    Votes: 1 1.0%
  • No, I will not display the weapon or announce unless I am going to shoot.

    Votes: 48 48.0%
  • It depends...

    Votes: 49 49.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 6 6.0%

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There were a couple of times when I was on duty and trying my best to defuse a standoff situation that I got threatened by the actor - usually over the phone, but once he could actually see my head as I was behind a patrol car. I always wanted to tell such idjits my little tale I had rehearsed in my head a few times:

"So you want to kill me huh? You do realize that right this second there is a sniper who eats raw snakes for breakfast and he has a crosshairs on your nose right between your eyes and if he tightens the trigger just a hair more it's going to take a professional clean-up crew several days to scrub what little brains you have off the wall behind you? You do realize that all that's standing between you and a large broom and dustpan is me? Wouldn't you rather talk to me instead?"

But I never did. **SIGH**
 

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So which would you do?
Wait for both of them to close in and attack?
Or shoot them both before they are close enough to be an imminent threat?
Take BG one as a hostage at gun point. By that I mean take physical control at gun point and use him as a shield to BG2.
 

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I voted No and It Depends, because no, not usually, but it depends.

Would I verbally say something? No, for most of the reasons already mentioned ranging from MWAG to it not being intimidating. BG's attack people all the time who give them verbal threats. Verbal threats are paper tigers. They scare children and others who are full of bluster, and that's about it. You're just telling a criminal you've got something else they want.

Last December I was in a parking lot after dark, going to do some grocery shopping. While I was getting my grocery bags out of the trunk I became aware of a guy standing about 15 feet away from me in the parking aisle, I stared at him and he wouldn't make eye contact. I caught movement on the next lane over and saw another guy coming in to possibly flank me. I figured that's what the guy 15 feet away was waiting for. I put the grocery bags under my left arm, withdrew my 442 from my pocket, didn't point it at anyone, and non-chalantly opened the cylinder as if I was making sure it was loaded, all the while keeping my gaze at the guy going out of his way not to look at me. As soon as I closed the cylinder, he walked away in the opposite direction, the guy I though might be flanking me changed direction, and then I saw #3, who had been flanking me from behind, follow them away. I got back in the car and went to another store.

I didn't brandish or menace anyone. I didn't say a word. But I do believe that I got my point across without having to say a word.
 

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I didn't brandish or menace anyone. I didn't say a word. But I do believe that I got my point across without having to say a word.
Are you certain? Do you know what constitutes menacing in your jurisdiction? In Colorado what you did would be menacing.
 

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IME the police are going to ask if you have a gun. If you do they're going to assume he was telling the truth.
No, they will NOT assume. They will get your side of the story, and once denied, an astute leo would then ask them to describe it with the denial of the accused. And, IF the leo didn't ask that question, I'd be suggesting he asked the turd if he saw it, to describe it.

If that fails to satisfy the leo and he arrests me, by the time trial comes around, my atty will evidence a voluntary polygraph that I passed. The courts can then decide which of the two he said/she saids was truthful. I've seen two leo's be exonerated and charges dropped who took voluntary poly's and submitted same to the courts

How many years have you been carrying? Have you been involved with such matters personally or are you just layperson guessing what you believe they'll do? :scratchchin:
 

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Yes. If doing a safety check on a firearm is menacing in Colorado, I feel sorry for the good people of Colorado.
2017 ORS 163.90
(1) A person commits the crime of menacing if by word or conduct the person intentionally attempts to place another person in fear of imminent serious physical injury.

(2) Menacing is a Class A misdemeanor. [1971 c.743 §95]
Tell that you didn't do exactly what the bolded text says is menacing. Tell me you didn't pull that gun out with the specific intent of scaring those guys off
 

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Tell that you didn't do exactly what the bolded text says is menacing. Tell me you didn't pull that gun out with the specific intent of scaring those guys off
Intent would play a role in any charges filed. As he describe the scenario, he could very easily be arrested for brandishing or whatever law fits close for that state. IMO, it wasn't the smartest move even as he got away with it, this time
 

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No, they will NOT assume. They will get your side of the story, and once denied, an astute leo would then ask them to describe it with the denial of the accused. And, IF the leo didn't ask that question, I'd be suggesting he asked the turd if he saw it, to describe it.

If that fails to satisfy the leo and he arrests me, by the time trial comes around, my atty will evidence a voluntary polygraph that I passed. The courts can then decide which of the two he said/she saids was truthful. I've seen two leo's be exonerated and charges dropped who took voluntary poly's and submitted same to the courts :wink:
It's been my experience that if I tell the cops you pulled a gun on me and they investigate and find a gun on you you're going to be wearing handcuffs. By the time the trial comes around you will have spent thousands if not tens of thousands of dollars on your attorney and your "voluntary polygraph".

Or, you know, you could keep your mouth shut and avoid the whole mess
 

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It's been my experience that if I tell the cops you pulled a gun on me and they investigate and find a gun on you you're going to be wearing handcuffs. By the time the trial comes around you will have spent thousands if not tens of thousands of dollars on your attorney and your "voluntary polygraph".

Or, you know, you could keep your mouth shut and avoid the whole mess
So you've experienced this on the streets where someone accused you of pulling a gun when you didn't and you were then wearing cuffs, arrested , made bail and went to trial? :scratchchin:
 

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Tell that you didn't do exactly what the bolded text says is menacing. Tell me you didn't pull that gun out with the specific intent of scaring those guys off
I wasn't putting them in fear of imminent serious physical injury. I was giving them all the information they needed to know before they made a decision that would lead to their imminent serious physical injury. It would be legal for me to have been carrying the gun on my hip. It would be legal for me to walk through the parking lot with the gun in my hand. Bystanders or no bystanders, it would've been lawful for me to do a safety check on a pistol in a public parking lot the way that I did.

Did I mention that I'm retired LEO, from the city that this occurred in? I'm quite aware of the laws here, thank you though. I think I've answered the questions of enough internet lawyers today.
 

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https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/163.190

(1) A person commits the crime of menacing if by[/B]word or conduct the person intentionally attempts to place another person in fear of imminent serious physical injury.

(2) Menacing is a Class A misdemeanor. [1971 c.743 §95]

No law was broken even as intent to place them in fear was iterated as to the intent? :scratchchin:
 

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So you've experienced this on the streets where someone accused you of pulling a gun when you didn't and you were then wearing cuffs, arrested , made bail and went to trial? :scratchchin:

Happened to me no. Seen it happen to someone else more than once yes.
 

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IMHO, if you reveal that you have a gun or actually draw, you could find yourself in a lot of trouble for brandishing or making a terroristic threat. I suppose that would be mitigated if you were the first one to call 911 and report the incident.
 
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I wouldn't waste my time.

I worked as an armed guard for several years and it's been my experience that if you don't need your gun immediately you probably don't need your gun.

It's also been my experience that the kind of people that you actually need your gun for aren't the slightest bit intimidated that you have it and will dare you to shoot them if you tell them you're armed.

I've told this story on other forums but I was loading up my car getting ready to go to work one night when two random tweakers walked around the corner of the building and as soon as they saw me they decided they were going to rob me.

Now I want to make myself perfectly clear I was in my work uniform. I was wearing my duty belt. I was CLEARLY armed and they tried to rob me anyway.

I never said to them "I have a gun you need to get back" or anything like that but when I pulled it out they laughed at me and walked away.

This is hard to explain because on the one hand obviously they believed I was going to shoot them (and I certainly had every intention of doing EXACTLY that if they took one more step) but and I cannot stress this enough they were not intimidated. They just weren't willing to risk being shot for the reward.

I said all that to say this if I draw my gun I have already made the decision to shoot and I have every intention of shooting as soon as my sights are on the target.
If you cease being a threat to me before I get to that point then obviously I wouldn't shoot.


What I'm not going to do is waste my time threatening you.
Your most salient point. Very nice writeup.
 
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