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Well, the gun running operation to end all operations is back in the news again.

Now there's a scandal worth snooping! There's a link to the report and it's worth a read...all 21 pages of it. I have also included a link to David Codrea's column at the bottom. We both got the stuff at the same time....

Grassley blasts DOJ treatment of ‘Gunwalking’ whistleblower

Senator Charles Grassley, who launched the first Capitol Hill investigation of Operation Fast and Furious more than two years ago, today blasted the treatment of a chief whistleblower in the investigation by the former U.S. attorney in Arizona, and subsequent attempts to discredit him by the Justice Department.

Grassley blasts DOJ treatment of ?Gunwalking? whistleblower - Seattle gun rights | Examiner.com
 

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And I always thought transparent meant something was transparent. Guess not when it comes to this admin.
 

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Well, the gun running operation to end all operations is back in the news again.

Now there's a scandal worth snooping! There's a link to the report and it's worth a read...all 21 pages of it. I have also included a link to David Codrea's column at the bottom. We both got the stuff at the same time....

Grassley blasts DOJ treatment of ‘Gunwalking’ whistleblower

Senator Charles Grassley, who launched the first Capitol Hill investigation of Operation Fast and Furious more than two years ago, today blasted the treatment of a chief whistleblower in the investigation by the former U.S. attorney in Arizona, and subsequent attempts to discredit him by the Justice Department.

Grassley blasts DOJ treatment of ?Gunwalking? whistleblower - Seattle gun rights | Examiner.com
Isn't there a disconnect between the thread title and the post content?

One says the IG did something-- made a specific complaint. The other says
a Senator characterized something. Big difference. I trust the IGs. I don't trust the pols.

The IG report on this matter has been in the hands of Congress now for very
many months. If there has been maltreatment of a whistleblower whose actions afforded him protection under the various
whistleblower laws, the IG or the Office of Special Counsel would have likely taken care of disciplining and punishing those responsible. If they have not done so, then either the Senator is misstating something or the "whistleblower" isn't entitled to the protections being asserted. The little that I have followed this stuff, my impression is the latter is the case.

IGs report to Congress and have very considerable power to deal with those who need dealing with. They are not shrinking
violets.

From USDOJ Office of the Inspector General (OIG)

"The Office of the Inspector General (OIG) in the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) is a statutorily created independent entity whose mission is to detect and deter waste, fraud, abuse, and misconduct in DOJ programs and personnel, and to promote economy and efficiency in those programs. The Inspector General, who is appointed by the President subject to Senate confirmation, reports to the Attorney General and Congress. The OIG investigates alleged violations of criminal and civil laws by DOJ employees and also audits and inspects DOJ programs."

I took the liberty of bolding a few points.
 

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Grassley released a statement after the Office of Inspector General released a report Monday morning that shows former U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke leaked “a sensitive document” to a Fox News reporter in an attempt to discredit John Dodson, a special agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. The IG’s report, according to Breitbart, said “Burke’s conduct in disclosing the Dodson memorandum to be inappropriate for a Department employee and wholly unbefitting a U.S. Attorney.”

The Washington Times is also reporting the new development.

Burke abruptly resigned his post in August 2011 as the investigation of Fast and Furious by the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform was beginning to heat up. Grassley’s remarks about the former prosecutor and the Justice Department were stinging.
No - There is no disconnect. I suggest you read the article again, Hopyard.

The whistleblower should have been protected. You of all persons should know that. The U.S. Attorney who works for Eric Holder, Head of the DOJ, was forced to resign for leaking sensitive whistleblower information.
 
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If the document is classified as "Sensitive", it is classified. It should not have been leaked by anyone. Whistleblower or otherwise. If it was an unclassified document and he leaked it as a whistleblower, he would have been afforded protection under the whistleblower statute.

He was probably forced to resign or given the choice of being prosecuted for leaking a "Classified" document. Whistleblowers who break the law in order to blow the whistle are still breaking the law.
 

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No - There is no disconnect. I suggest you read the article again, Hopyard.

The whistleblower should have been protected. You of all persons should know that. The U.S. Attorney who works for Eric Holder, Head of the DOJ, was forced to resign for leaking sensitive whistleblower information.
This has been beaten to death here a long time ago. My recollection is that he supposedly did not qualify for that
protection. If he did, and didn't get it, then that is wrong. It would be on the IG and OSC for failing to do their job, if true.

Just my opinion, neither of those two Agencies fool around, and if there was a legitimate complaint that the man was not protected he had several avenues to pursue those complaints--- including first, MSPB; then Federal District Court.
 

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A couple dead Border Patrol and 200 to 300 dead Mexicans.
I guess they are not considered people unless they vote democrat.

How ANYONE can defend this sure beats me. IG non-partisan, yeh right.
 

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I apologize for not having a link handy but I read, I think this morning probably either on FOX or The Blaze that the Obumer administration has prosecuted more whistle blowers that all previous administrations combined.
 

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A couple dead Border Patrol and 200 to 300 dead Mexicans.
I guess they are not considered people unless they vote democrat.

How ANYONE can defend this sure beats me. IG non-partisan, yeh right.

http://www.ignet.gov/pande/leg/igactasof1010.pdf

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So.... if you read one of the other link about him possibly "cutting a deal" to avoid disbarment proceedings, could lead to Holder and Napalitano committing perjury to Congress about what they knew, when they knew it, etc. on Fast & Furious. That would be a big deal. It would be nice to get to the "truth" ... and to let it truly come out on Fast & Furious and the Govt's reasons, and their rolls in it. That could possibly lead to Holder's downfall.
 

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So.... if you read one of the other link about him possibly "cutting a deal" to avoid disbarment proceedings, could lead to Holder and Napalitano committing perjury to Congress about what they knew, when they knew it, etc. on Fast & Furious. That would be a big deal. It would be nice to get to the "truth" ... and to let it truly come out on Fast & Furious and the Govt's reasons, and their rolls in it. That could possibly lead to Holder's downfall.
Fine, so long as folks keep open the possibility that the truth is not what some think it is. IMO truth is going to be very elusive given the partisan politics at play.
 

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No - There is no disconnect. I suggest you read the article again, Hopyard.

The whistleblower should have been protected. You of all persons should know that. The U.S. Attorney who works for Eric Holder, Head of the DOJ, was forced to resign for leaking sensitive whistleblower information.

Patti, going to the press is not protected whistle blowing. There is whistle blowing through appropriate channels which
does earn you legal protection and there is the other kind, which does not earn you protection. The kind that gets you protection is a direct contact and complaint filed with the IG or with the Office of Special Counsel, or both. Going outside and bypassing those two options is how folks get into trouble. I'm uncertain about whether or not going to a Congress Critter is protected and I think not.

I don't follow this story carefully, but if the complaint is that someone who went to the press didn't get whistle blower protection,
it is not a valid complaint. And IMO probably the person who did so knew it too.

As with everything we all do, there is a right and proper way of going about it, and a wrong way--- and sometimes we choose
the wrong way and reap the consequences.
 

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Patti, going to the press is not protected whistle blowing. There is whistle blowing through appropriate channels which
does earn you legal protection and there is the other kind, which does not earn you protection. The kind that gets you protection is a direct contact and complaint filed with the IG or with the Office of Special Counsel, or both. Going outside and bypassing those two options is how folks get into trouble. I'm uncertain about whether or not going to a Congress Critter is protected and I think not.

I don't follow this story carefully, but if the complaint is that someone who went to the press didn't get whistle blower protection,
it is not a valid complaint. And IMO probably the person who did so knew it too.

As with everything we all do, there is a right and proper way of going about it, and a wrong way--- and sometimes we choose
the wrong way and reap the consequences.
So would that have been the "right & proper" way of say Washingtons' Spies or that of King Georges?
 

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Huh??????

Your kidding right?

You do know of Washigtons Spies, do you not? They were the insiders that leaked valuable information to Washington about what the red coats were up to. It was out & out whistle blowing on things that they were openly & perversively doing in every aspect In regard to the continued persecution of the colonies through the acts of their aggression & attempted subjugation. So obviously you can surmise, then, what King Georges' possition of what a right & proper way of having revelations about their evil activities occuring.


Any time a Lie or Evil act is exposed, regardless of whether or not it was "classified" or "sensitive" in nature, should be irrelevant. It is simply another tool to subdue the truth. If it is good to have a lie told so as to have justice served, justice then be served. Let it not be for the persecution of the one making it known, but yet to those of the transgression of rights through deceptions & falsehoods.

Do you think, then, that God rejoices in these persecutions of those he so obviously put it in their hearts to have that which was obviously wrong doing, being done in the dark, now being brought into the light?
 

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Hopyard, I don't think you understand the issue.

It's not about "he said/she said," it's about the release of a document to a reporter in an effort to discredit the whistleblower.
This was not about any direct harassment of John Dodson, the whistleblower, but about an effort to smear him publicly so he would lose credibility with the press, this deflecting attention away from the F&F investigation and onto Dodson as some kind of no-goodnik

That's what the IG report is all about.
 

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Hopyard, I don't think you understand the issue.

It's not about "he said/she said," it's about the release of a document to a reporter in an effort to discredit the whistleblower.
This was not about any direct harassment of John Dodson, the whistleblower, but about an effort to smear him publicly so he would lose credibility with the press, this deflecting attention away from the F&F investigation and onto Dodson as some kind of no-goodnik

That's what the IG report is all about.
I do not follow this story carefully so perhaps you are correct that I misunderstand. Releasing a document to discredit
a protected whistle blower (and the key word here is 'protected') would seem to fall under the general category of "retaliation."
Without reference to this incident, but just to the way things should work, "retaliation" is a serious offense which the IG and OSC
both have plenty of authority and ability to prosecute.
 

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If the document is classified as "Sensitive", it is classified. It should not have been leaked by anyone. Whistleblower or otherwise. If it was an unclassified document and he leaked it as a whistleblower, he would have been afforded protection under the whistleblower statute.

He was probably forced to resign or given the choice of being prosecuted for leaking a "Classified" document. Whistleblowers who break the law in order to blow the whistle are still breaking the law.
"Sensitive" is not a level of classification. Those are, exclusively, Confidential, Secret, and Top Secret. Only documents officially falling under one of these classifications (and only certain individuals have such classification authority) are "classified" documents. There are many other sorts of documents that are protected under other systems (Privacy Act, HIPAA, Law Enforcement Sensitive, etc), but these are NOT "classified" things.

It may or may not have been illegal to release what this AUSA released, but it was not "classified."

Additionally, it was not the whistle-blower who released the sensitive document, it was the AUSA, who did so in order to DISCREDIT the whistle-blower.
 

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"Sensitive" is not a level of classification. Those are, exclusively, Confidential, Secret, and Top Secret. Only documents officially falling under one of these classifications (and only certain individuals have such classification authority) are "classified" documents. There are many other sorts of documents that are protected under other systems (Privacy Act, HIPAA, Law Enforcement Sensitive, etc), but these are NOT "classified" things.

It may or may not have been illegal to release what this AUSA released, but it was not "classified."

Additionally, it was not the whistle-blower who released the sensitive document, it was the AUSA, who did so in order to DISCREDIT the whistle-blower.
Here are my thoughts with this whole thing.

1) We are talking about last years news or news from 2 years back. That the
ASUSA is accused of trying to discredit the man who went to Congress is a piece of info which has been around for quite some
time.

2) Did that act equate to illegal retaliation? If so, prosecution is in order-- or at least dismissal. If not, then there
isn't much to talk about.

3) As I understand it the so called whistle blower did not use the channels which provide him with
protection against retaliation. Having made that choice, it is a little late to complain about an act of retaliation.

4) Good motives and the law may have nothing to do with one another. And if the motives were pure the IG's door was open as was the door at OSC. Their numbers and addresses are required to be posted prominently at the workplace.
 

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Our government not all,but, Holder and Obama,are two that are nothing more than two faced liars.I learned something from watching some of the F and F on Cspan.Good luck getting a yes or no from Holder.I despise both of them to the core.
 
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