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EDITORIAL: How much concealed carry training is enough?


Just how much is enough?

An Illinois Senator wants everyone to undergo 80 hours of training before being issued a permit.

Illinois state police have been given 60 days to come up with guidelines for concealed carry classes, which currently consist of 16 hours. But not everyone agrees that the time is sufficient. Illinois State Senator Dan Kotowski, who openly opposes concealed carry, wants to amend legislation to require 80 hours of firearms training to obtain a permit.

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Concealed carry instructor and Arkansas Carry Board of Directors member, Nicholas Stehle agrees that the two-week training is a bit much and has other, underlying intentions. And while he agrees that training is good, he also doesn’t think that it’s something which should be required.

“No other Constitutional rights require ‘hours of training’ before you’re allowed to exercise your rights,” he said. “For instance, no one requires ‘issue awareness training’ before being allowed to vote,” he explained. “I think the purpose of requiring 80 hours of training isn’t to ensure proficiency with a firearm – it is to discourage people from carrying legally. Chicago isn’t a friendly place to gun owners, and the city continues to attempt to go beyond what even most anti-gun people consider to be reasonable when it comes to regulating the behavior of law-abiding gun owners,” he said.

Eighty hours of training when most other states have 8 or 12. Really? Is it any surprise that the anti gun pro-socialist fools in Chicago want the most stringent requirements in the nation ? Most police training academys don't even require their officers to have 80 hours of firearms training.

This is ridiculous, but really, is anyone surprised?
 

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He wants the average citizen to have 80 hours of training, most police officers don't get that much training in the basic academy. When I went to our academy we only got 40 hours of firearms training. Instructors got 80 hours. How many hours of firearms training do Illinios police get at the academy? I'll bet it aint 80 hours. I'm talking firearms training not firearms law training.
 

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Yeah, and let me guess, classes are probably only going to be held Mon - Fri from 8 to 5 so that working people can't do it because they can't get that much time off of work. It's at least another 80 hours that these people can push concealed carry out farther. I agree with Nicholas Stehle.
 

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Just another reason to be thankful for living in Wisconsin.
 

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The new law in Illinois is already codified. It'll be 16 hours but the ISP does still have some flexibility in defining what will be included in those 16 hours.
 

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Same tyrant talk, same tyrant day. These idiots understand what they are doing....

This is ridiculous, but really, is anyone surprised?
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Un believable.
 

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I wonder how many hours of training the bad guys have to comply with.? On the other hand, Most Illinois senators cant find the bad end of a pointed stick !! Ridiculous YES, Surprised NO.
 

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The thing that worries me is the idea that this "illinois model" might get a push to be the​ model instead of the outlier.
 

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I am in awe at the stupidity of some people. Concealed carry does not mean that I want to play cop. I am not law enforcement and not a superhero. I carry a gun for my and my family's safety. I do not need 80 hours of training to pull a trigger at a bad guy until he is no longer a threat.
 

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Yeah, and let me guess, classes are probably only going to be held Mon - Fri from 8 to 5 so that working people can't do it because they can't get that much time off of work. It's at least another 80 hours that these people can push concealed carry out farther. I agree with Nicholas Stehle.
They might let people complete the 80 hours on weekends...two hours per weekend, and all required to be consecutive, miss one weekend and you have to start all over...it could work.:rolleyes:
 

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This is ridiculous, but really, is anyone surprised?
No surprise, but ultimately (and sadly) the majority of those folks in Illinois got what they voted for. I know there are good folks in Illinois but you're getting overwhelmed.
 

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They might let people complete the 80 hours on weekends...two hours per weekend, and all required to be consecutive, miss one weekend and you have to start all over...it could work.:rolleyes:
Geeze............. Don't give the idiots any new ideas! SSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

I'll put the several thousand of hours of small arms (Western and Eastern Block) training, to include CQB shoot or don't shoot training, against most LEO in that state. Does that make me special, no, but it does make me meet the new requirements, and probably better prepared as long as I fully understand the laws of the State.

After 2 1/2 decades of Military Combat Arms MOS experience, I would think they would waive anyone with a DD-214 who has taken a basic class to understand the State's laws.
 

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We aren't dealing with rational people here. They are purely emotional and want their ideology imposed on everyone else regardless of the practical, ethical, or legal ramifications. They are monsters.
 

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We aren't dealing with rational people here. They are purely emotional and want their ideology imposed on everyone else regardless of the practical, ethical, or legal ramifications. They are monsters.
Exactly. Not Rational. Emotion Based arguments to influence very low information voters.
 

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I am in awe at the stupidity of some people. Concealed carry does not mean that I want to play cop. I am not law enforcement and not a superhero. I carry a gun for my and my family's safety. I do not need 80 hours of training to pull a trigger at a bad guy until he is no longer a threat.
If you mean the rep that proposed 80 hours, there is nothing stupid about his proposal. It's clearly intended to make getting a permit nigh on impossible.

Any and all requirements for permits have the effect of discouraging people from being able to exercise their natural right. Some states (like mine) provide very little impediment (5 minutes to fill out a form and hand over a ten dollar bill) - others make the bar high and the hoops numerous.

All we can do is keep chipping away and regain the freedoms the Constitution is supposed to protect one little bit at a time.
 
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