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Not only is there a danger from return fire from the active shooter. But there is a threat from being killed from police mistaking you for the active shooter.

It has happened before.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/26/us/black-man-killed-alabama-mall-shooting.html

Normally I just carry a little .38 SW Airlite snub in my pocket. But sometimes on a car trip I may carry around a Glock with 2 - 33 rnd mags in my car or in a computer case. If I was searched at an event, what do you think the cops would think looking in my case? If I pulled it out to start blasting at an active shooter, good chance I'd be taken out by the cops thinking I was a active shooter.

Getting back to my little .38 5 shot snub. I'm not going to engage a shooter with a semi-auto rifle. It is for last ditch CQB self-defense.

No one ever said there are perfect solutions to problems humans create. Nor is there any guarantee a country will last forever.
 

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Totally agree.
I think the only solution, and it is not perfect is for everyone to wrap their mind around the fact that people get slaughtered if they do not fight back.
If multiple people rush these cowards and take them down, lives will be saved in the long run.
If these cowards knew that they would always be confronted by those they wish to kill, might change things.
But then again, you might get more sniper type attacks like Las Vegas.
 

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But then again, you might get more sniper type attacks like Las Vegas.
The other thing I think we might see is what has happened in other countries, 2-4 person teams with AKs, who have serious training, have a plan and have communication with each other, doing a coordinated attack, like the Kenyan Mall shooting or the Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris. I think that is bound to happen here sooner or later. That would be a whole other defensive situation.
 

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People have died slipping in the shower, but that's no reason to not take one.

These concerns that are continuously brought up only tell me some people shouldn't carry guns because their hesitation as they ponder the criminal and civil ramifications will get them killed, either by the BG, another CC'er, or the police because they are determined every odd is against them

IT's YOUR Life! Protect it. Dead men aren't concerned with jail or family members of the BGs. Be aware of the concerns, but don't die over them. What would be the point to that?
 

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If you are ever in a place where an active shooter or terrorist attack situation suddenly breaks out, your options are definitive. First, try to escape if there is any way you can do this. If you cannot escape, get to cover and get small, if you can do this. If you are within close proximity to a shooter and have the opportunity, kill them. The idea of stopping them, such as in a robbery, should not be your goal. You want to kill them because their whole agenda is a large body count. Much different than someone who wants your wallet and your keys.

[This information was paraphrased from a book I read not long ago entitled "Facing the Active Shooter" by CR Williams.]


The OP's concerns about possibly being a target of police when they arrive on scene while you are trying to defend yourself with your firearm are well taken and real. SA would be your best friend and hopefully you would see them coming in and react accordingly. It would be a hell of a thing to take out a few shooters and then be mistakenly taken out yourself by police.
 

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You're not going to see people rushing a shooter. As far as being misidentified but LEO, that was one of the darker topics covered in my class last year.

I predict, and I don't like saying this, we will see a suicide bomber in the next three years, maybe two.

The El Paso shooter wrote he was prepared to die, and even expected to do so. So whatever constraints are put in place after all the lawmakers finish their nonsense, will really not make a bit of difference to anyone prepping to go kill a bunch of people.
 

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You're not going to see people rushing a shooter. As far as being misidentified but LEO, that was one of the darker topics covered in my class last year.

I predict, and I don't like saying this, we will see a suicide bomber in the next three years, maybe two.

The El Paso shooter wrote he was prepared to die, and even expected to do so. So whatever constraints are put in place after all the lawmakers finish their nonsense, will really not make a bit of difference to anyone prepping to go kill a bunch of people.
So true. Anyone bent on racking up a body count is going to use whatever tool(s) he can to accomplish his goal. Look at the 1995 Oklahoma bombing by McVeigh. He got what he wanted without having fired a shot.
 

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All actions and inaction sometimes carry risk, no doubt about it.
 

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Get to your shooting solution without showing gun, make your shot, anchor the shooter, assess, blend back in.

Train for that.
This^^^! Your fundamental options are Flight, Fight, Hide, or Do Nothing. There are risks with each of them and no guarantees with any of them!
 

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This^^^! Your fundamental options are Flight, Fight, Hide, or Do Nothing. There are risks with each of them and no guarantees with any of them!
I'm single, plenty of people love me, but they don't have to depend on me. If I escaped and other's didn't it would haunt me forever.

Very low probability, but I plan on doing my best to engage.
 

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My complements!
 
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I am a bit of the "fools rush in" type myself. BTDT, but not under shooting situations.
 
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I'm single, plenty of people love me, but they don't have to depend on me. If I escaped and other's didn't it would haunt me forever.

Very low probability, but I plan on doing my best to engage.
Yes, Brother Matthew, live to bend another holster - Charlie wants one or more of your designs. :yup:
 

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I'd rather be down the sights of an officer than down the sights of a perp. Throw down whats in your hands and get on the ground and hope for the best is all you can do really.
That sounds like you're expecting the police officer to try to hold you at gun point, shout commands at you to put down the gun, and apprehend you. They won't. They'll see a gun in your hand, believe you to be the shooter, and shoot you without you realizing they're there, before you can shoot someone again.
 

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In the referenced article, the guy and his loved ones were (at the moment) out of harm's way and he made the decision to rush towards the gunfire. Heroic? Yes. Smart? Not so much.

I carry to protect myself, my loved ones, and (possibly) anyone in my general vicinity should we be in harm's way. I made the conscious decision to carry and take responsibility for my and mine's safety. As a civilian, that is my sole responsibility. That is reality and what I mentally tell myself...again and again. That-being-said, I don't know what I would do in the heat of the moment if I were alone. I might be stupid enough to answer the clarion's call. Were I with family, I would absolutely do whatever it takes to keep them safe.
 

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@DaGunny said it all for me. I do not know what I would do. It would depend on circumstances. Distance to target, available cover, bystanders in the path, where the shooter is focused on, is he reloading, and other things that might be factors. As for me, a widower, with grown children and well taken care of grandchildren I would engage if it was not suicide. I lost my fear of death 50 years ago. I learned that death is random. I hate bad guys.
 
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