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I was at the range last Sunday, and for the first time my Glock FTF. My first instinct was to tap, and rack. Just what you would do in a real world gun fight. But as I learned in my basic pistol courses you keep the weapon pointed down range, and wait. My mind was flashing on the worst case scenario. After a tap, and rack the round exploding out side of the chamber, not good for me or the guy next to me. So I waited, and no bang. As a side note, I examined the round the primer had a light strike on it. I put it in the next mag, and it did go bang.

You fight as you train, and a FTF in the middle of a gun fight could cause you to loose, depending on lots of factors. One of them could be, your fallowing the wait rule or tap, and rack.

If you are well trained I suppose you would find cover, and by that time a tap, and rack would be safe.
 

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You Raise a Good question Training as you would Fight is almost impossible at a public range..

I try as best as i can i just tap rack and bang never had a round go off outside the chamber.

Usually dont have Hangfires at least ive never truely had one, ive had the pop and Fizzzz of a misfire but no hangfire.

By the time i think you could grab the slide more than likely the round would have went off is my Guess.
 

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Always carry a backup gun a good 1911s a good choice. ...Second that Glock they don't like oil in the firing pin channel.:frown:
 

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Waiting is for range safety. If you're ducking incoming smallarms fire, tap & rack without the wait is worth the risk.

You have to keep track of which behaviors you pick up are every-day safety and need to be dropped in combat, and which you need to follow even under stress.
 

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Out of the approx 2K+ rounds this is the only malfunction that was not user induced.
 

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We had almost this question just recently.

IMO you do NOT concern yourself at all about a delayed ignition of a round - unlikely with centerfire in all but the most ancient ammo (viz .303 mil surp from WWII - it will give hang fires nicely!). By the time the round is manually ejected in a fraction of a second - it will be away from you and not harm anyone - it ain't worth worrying about - except on pure range shooting.

It's a sound habit but don't let it become part of combat drills.

.22 - or any rimfires are more likely to need some safety time but then that won't affect many folks in CQB situations!!
 

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Tap-rack -bang is very effective, just be sure to know what a squib load feels like.
 

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That's one reason that the only time I shoot on an actual static shooting range is when I'm wearing my Instructor's cap or testing a new gun or fresh ammo. In IDPA you can and should tap rack bang as long as muzzle is in a safe direction.
 

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Well, no one else mentioned this, and I'm kind of surprised. It's a Glock, most likely a light strike. PULL THE TRIGGER AGAIN.

If it doesn't work the second time, then I'd eject the round.
 

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Can't re-pull trigger on a Glock.

jarhead79 said:
Well, no one else mentioned this, and I'm kind of surprised. It's a Glock, most likely a light strike. PULL THE TRIGGER AGAIN.

If it doesn't work the second time, then I'd eject the round.
If it's a glock then it's not a simple DA or DAO, and you'd have to (what?) rack the slide to reset the trigger and the round would be ejected anyway.
 

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jarhead79 said:
Well, no one else mentioned this, and I'm kind of surprised. It's a Glock, most likely a light strike. PULL THE TRIGGER AGAIN.

If it doesn't work the second time, then I'd eject the round.

No second Strike cabilty on a glock .. pull trigger if slide doesnt Cock trigger doesnt reset.


When you take a glock down for cleaning youll see this pull trigger it stays back till you cycle slide
 

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I was going to say something like "I carry a revolver, so I'd just pull the trigger again" but I though I'd come across as a [email protected] and revolver eliteist.

jarhead79 said:
Well, no one else mentioned this, and I'm kind of surprised. It's a Glock, most likely a light strike. PULL THE TRIGGER AGAIN.

If it doesn't work the second time, then I'd eject the round.
 

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tanksoldier said:
I was going to say something like "I carry a revolver, so I'd just pull the trigger again" but I though I'd come across as a [email protected] and revolver eliteist.

Basiclly a revolver would be only way around this problem unless bullet creeped out enough to tie up the gun which auto or wheelie your screwed either way
 

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tanksoldier said:
You have to keep track of which behaviors you pick up are every-day safety and need to be dropped in combat, and which you need to follow even under stress.
This was what I was thinking about. Thus my fight as you train.

When at the range I try to use all the things I learned as it relates to a combat situation. With in the limit of the range rules.

To bad I don't have some land to practice as I see fit. May be when I retire?
 

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jarhead79 said:
Well, no one else mentioned this, and I'm kind of surprised. It's a Glock, most likely a light strike. PULL THE TRIGGER AGAIN.

If it doesn't work the second time, then I'd eject the round.
?? You'd have to manually cycle the action to re-strike, with Glock.

"Tap, rack, bang" covers you. An OTB is different than an extracted round "detonating". The OTB means that enough of the case is contained in the chamber to force expanding gasses through the point of least resistance (ie, the exposed case wall). An extracted round, if it "fires" will basically "pop", and would not be a danger, unless resting on some part of you.
 

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Bud White said:
Basiclly a revolver would be only way around this problem unless bullet creeped out enough to tie up the gun which auto or wheelie your screwed either way
Actually, some non-revolvers have a 2nd strike capability. My H&K P2000 LEM has this capability.
 

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glock21guy said:
This was what I was thinking about. Thus my fight as you train.

When at the range I try to use all the things I learned as it relates to a combat situation. With in the limit of the range rules.
Good advice. i doubt , while under stress , you will be thinking on what are range habits compared to combat habits. Better to train as you will fight indeed.
 

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Bud White said:
Basiclly a revolver would be only way around this problem unless bullet creeped out enough to tie up the gun which auto or wheelie your screwed either way
That's one of the things I like about my Steyr's, all I have to do is partially cycle the slide (about 1/4 inch) and then I can pull the trigger again.

Neat feature, but I think in a real situation it would probably be better to rack it fully for a fresh round, instead of wasting time on one that has already proven reluctant to fire. Nice to have the option though.
 

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Only with a Glock are you S.O.L.

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Actually, some non-revolvers have a 2nd strike capability. My H&K P2000 LEM has this capability.
Come to think of it, I guess both my H&K USP and my Sig P245 are that way as well. So is my Beretta M92.
 
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