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I hope this has not been covered to many times here. I carry Federal Hydra Shock 147 grain and have since I found out the LEO's use it. Recently I have seen or heard somewhere, which I can't remember now (grey hair over grey matter) for what ever reason some bad things about those rounds. I will not quote any of the info as I don't want to mislead any one. As you know we bet our life on the rounds we carry I would like to have at least an even chance of coming out of an engagement alive. Please confine reply's to info on that round, once we determine good or bad we can look for replacement if needed. Thank you all in advance for your input on this question. :smile:
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The hydro shock is a decent round, some will say its outdated, but it will still get the job done if ever needed, yes there are lots of other newer types of JHP's out there that may work better, but if your looking to change your ammo, Id say upgrade to the Federal HST's they perform very well, expansion is great along with penetration, there are lots of brands out there and lots to choose from..
 

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...like any bullet, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't...because of a local case, I won't carry them...I prefer Gold Dots, or Rem Golden Sabre, but I know there're incidences of them not doing well, either...nothing is 100% effective in every case...reliable feeding is my benchmark...
 

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Look up the video of the Buffalo Bore +P+ 147 grain and check out the expansion. I was impressed by these more than anything I have seen.
 

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i don't the standard velocity of this particular round, but in general, the original 147 grain SUBSONIC loads in 9mm have performed poorly. the newer loads in that weight seem to be better.
 

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The hydro shock is a decent round, some will say its outdated, but it will still get the job done if ever needed, yes there are lots of other newer types of JHP's out there that may work better, but if your looking to change your ammo, Id say upgrade to the Federal HST's they perform very well, expansion is great along with penetration, there are lots of brands out there and lots to choose from..
I believe you'll find that the general consensus on the viable use of the HS round in bold. Are there better ones, sure, but how would a dead bad guy define better is the million dollar question. The HST suggestion is another very good recommendation, but IMO the best thing going for ya in 9mm is the use of the 147gr bullet, regardless of the JHP design. :wink:
 

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Look up the video of the Buffalo Bore +P+ 147 grain and check out the expansion. I was impressed by these more than anything I have seen.
OP wrote: Please confine reply's to info on that round, once we determine good or bad we can look for replacement if needed.
 

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Back in the early 1990's when my department transitioned to 9mm the issue load was the 147 HS. We had poor to marginal performance with it. Out of a carbine or SMG it does great but out of pistols it did not always give good expansion. They may have changed the jacket or the lead mix since then but I prefer something with more velocity.
 

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Just after the famous FBI "Miami Massacre", the FBI started their Ballistic Research Project. I was a young police officer at the time and was able to attend their first training course on it. Initially the 147 grain was supposed to be the answer for the 9mm but ended up being dumped by nearly every department that used it within a few months of implementation. I have also been priviledged to look at some of the data from the US Border Patrol's research which confirms the 147 grain doesn't make the grade. What does for any 36 caliber round is driving it to the point it produces about 410 foot pounds of energy. At that point it begins to become very reliable in expansion and energy transfer. This is why other 36cal. rounds like the 357 Magnum, 357 Sig, and 9mm +P+ are so effective. A reasonable alternative are the Gold Dot and Golden Saber loads of 124 grain +P. The 147 grainers really don't expand and in some cases have been compared to the old 38 Special 158 grain Lead Round Nose as far as results on the street.
 
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My agency used the 9mm 147 gr HydraShok for just over a decade with no issues over the course of many dozens of OISs. Several of my friends went home safely for another night to their loved ones because of that round. It will do the job.

The only reason they left it was that when it came time to replace over 700 service weapons, the best deals for guns (and issue ammo) they could find were in .40S&W- and since the platform remained the same we didn't have to purchase new holsters. Command (and our Administration) jumped at the savings. Over night we "up-calibered", but only because it was cheaper.
 

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Performance of the equivalent bullet in 124 gr have done better. .... but the 147 gr will work. Some of mine don't like 147 gr due to the ramp and angle they hit it..... but the 124 will shoot fine. It's just like the .357.... the 125 gr actually performs better than the 158 gr.
But, I don't think the BG would like the 147 gr if they were hit by one either.
 

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Like any hand gun ammo its marginal. And like any handgun ammo its shot placement that will win the fight. If it functions well in your gun it would still be on my short list! Its my belief that function is the number one requirement, after that I worry about availability, and far down the list I start to think about bullet type. A lot of study's are hype and advertising, designed only to get your money coming their way. Hydra shock ammo has been around long enough to know it has a good reputation as a fight stopper. DR
 

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At one time they were considered tip top. Technology has surpassed them now and there are better choices for SD.
 
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The 147 grain bullet does well with sound suppression and longer barrels, but out of a shorter barrel that "heavy for caliber" bullet just does not have enough velocity. They have come out with better bullet construction to help with expansion as of late, but I still believe the best bullet weights for the 9 x 19mm is the 115 - 124 grain variety. JMHO.
 

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we used it for many years as our duty ammo in pistol and smg's. when we changed to the 40 s&w we went with another brand of duty ammo. it is a good round and will get the job done.
 

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The 147 grain bullet does well with sound suppression and longer barrels, but out of a shorter barrel that "heavy for caliber" bullet just does not have enough velocity. They have come out with better bullet construction to help with expansion as of late, but I still believe the best bullet weights for the 9 x 19mm is the 115 - 124 grain variety. JMHO.
Heavy for caliber bullets are designed to expand at lower velocities. They don't "need" velocity as much as a light weight bullet needs it. Heavy for caliber bullets are more efficient in shorter barrels than light weight bullets.

Hydra-Shoks are FAR outperformed by Speer Gold Dot and Federal HST.
Hydra-Shoks are finally being retired by Federal. Federal is going to be packaging and selling HSTs for civilians soon. I'm sure they will be replacing Hydra-Shoks on store shelves.
If you can afford it, it's time to move up.
I prefer 147gr (+P) HSTs for 9mm because of their reliability and impressive expansion. If I carried Gold Dots it would probably be the 124gr+P flavor.
 

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I hope this has not been covered to many times here. I carry Federal Hydra Shock 147 grain
Some go as far as saying DO NOT carry it. Check about 1/2 way down this page. Chuck Hawks is regarded by many as knowledgeable on the subject. Although he says he didn't write the article, he does post it on his website. Personally, I like the idea of a 147g +P, I think there's one in the HST series.

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Bad 9mm Loads to avoid (and certainly NEVER carry). Numbers given:

Federal Hydra-Shok 9mm 147 grain JHP (P9HS2)
Winchester 147 grain 9mm Silvertip Subsonic JHP (X9MMST147)
Winchester 147 grain 9mm Super-X Subsonic (XSUB9MM)
Remington 147 grain 9mm JHP (R9MM8)
Remington 147 grain 9mm Golden Saber JHP (GS9MMC)

Ammunition For The Self-Defense Firearm
 
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