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I have absolutely no idea where this should be posted.

Here's background context for my question, or just skip to the last paragraph...

For the last five years, my wife & I have been in & out of civil family court for our daughter. We're always sued by the same individual, who uses an attorney to harass and bring frivolous cases to court. We always win and actually bankrupted him, but he's still bringing cases. We've never been court ordered to do anything, but in order to demonstrate how ridiculous this persons claims are, we've preemptively sought out and taken parenting classes, drug tests, psychological evaluations, anger management courses, etc. Naturally, guns always come up since we own them, have an LTC and shoot at the range with our daughter regularly.

So, now for my actual question. For those of you with experience, what high "status" firearms certification or class would we take that would look impressive to a judge, LEO or average citizen, and generally just paint us as firearms experts?

Thanks in advance for any advice.
 

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Why are you looking for something more then an LTC? Are you being sued by this person for being a danger to your daughter with firearms? I don't see why you're asking
 

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Sounds like you have a plate full. Good luck with the future for y'all and your daughter.

Never hurts to have the NRA Home Firearm Safety course.
Eddie Eagle for kids.
Red Cross First Aid for adults and children. Several great classes.
 

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Why are you looking for something more then an LTC? Are you being sued by this person for being a danger to your daughter with firearms? I don't see why you're asking
To your first question, any idiot can get an LTC, so it doesn't demonstrate or provide evidence of the level of proficiency in firearms I'm looking for.

To your second question, yes. It's something different every time, but usually always involves something about firearms. For example, we've been sued for Devil worship, drug use, home hair cuts, watching porno/violent movies in the presence of our daughter, child neglect, child abuse, being unreasonable, not cooperating with child welfare authorities, removing our daughter from daycare, allowing our daughter to touch/fire/have firearms, allowing our daughter to eat spicy food, open carrying in my front yard, driving intoxicated with our daughter, pirating movies, stealing with our daughter, allowing our daughter to ride a bicycle with no training wheels and the list goes on...
 

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To your first question, any idiot can get an LTC, so it doesn't demonstrate or provide evidence of the level of proficiency in firearms I'm looking for.

To your second question, yes. It's something different every time, but usually always involves something about firearms. For example, we've been sued for Devil worship, drug use, home hair cuts, watching porno/violent movies in the presence of our daughter, child neglect, child abuse, being unreasonable, not cooperating with child welfare authorities, removing our daughter from daycare, allowing our daughter to touch/fire/have firearms, allowing our daughter to eat spicy food, open carrying in my front yard, driving intoxicated with our daughter, pirating movies, stealing with our daughter, allowing our daughter to ride a bicycle with no training wheels and the list goes on...
Thanks for clearing that up for me.. I see your situation now.. Sounds like this guy is really a nut job.. Didn't mean to come off like LTC was something special. In Illinois you have to go through a criminal background check and a little bit of training (very little) I agree with the above.. Getting an instructors cert. would help.. Good luck to you and your family
 

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Sounds like you have a plate full. Good luck with the future for y'all and your daughter.

Never hurts to have the NRA Home Firearm Safety course.
Eddie Eagle for kids.
Red Cross First Aid for adults and children. Several great classes.
Thanks! This is exactly the type of feedback we're looking for. Full plate, yes. It used to stress us out and worry about losing our daughter, but after five years of false allegations, it's just become a part of life. We always get judgement in our favor and thought it was over when this person had to file bankruptcy from us going after him, but no such luck.
 

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I would suggest that you really need to see an attorney about ways to hamstring this person. Since this person shows no signs of desisting, you need to take the fight to him. As long as you remain solely defensive you cannot win.
 

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I would suggest that you really need to see an attorney about ways to hamstring this person. Since this person shows no signs of desisting, you need to take the fight to him. As long as you remain solely defensive you cannot win.
Yes, obviously. We've always had the best attorneys and we always win. Unfortunately, it doesn't matter. We've even gone after his attorneys directly, making cases that lawsuit claims were not adequately investigated before filing. One of our attorneys is friends with the judge, goes hunting with him and helped with his reelection.

Bottom line, we can get a court judgement in our favor for a million dollars, but we won't ever see a cent of that money, it won't prevent a new lawsuit in the future and we still have to pay our attorney. Unfortunately, if you're being legally harassed by a narcissistic psychopath with an attorney that knows how to tread that fine line, there's no relief available.
 

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I would suggest that you really need to see an attorney about ways to hamstring this person. Since this person shows no signs of desisting, you need to take the fight to him. As long as you remain solely defensive you cannot win.
I was just about to post something similar! Depending on your state laws, if this person has launched several lawsuits against you as a form of harassment, there should a way to get it to stop for good. I'm surprised your lawyer hasn't already taken those steps. If for some reason due to state laws there is no recourse, I would suggest moving to another state. This person obviously will continue their course of action for the rest of your life.
 

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If you're looking to build credentials with firearms and shooting expertise, the NRA courses are "okay" but don't carry a great deal of traction relative to what I think you're trying to achieve.

I think the very best action for you at this time is to get into a Mas Ayoob training course, with the MAG-40 course being my recommendation. This is 40 hours of pretty intense training covering practical gun handling on the range with drills and a qualification course, plus classroom work covering the legal, moral and ethical use of deadly physical force in defense of self and loved ones. It's not cheap but it's worth every penny. Mas holds courses all over the country, so go to his website and see where they're offered. massadayoobgroup.com

More range-oriented and fighting (with a firearm) courses which are well-respected in the industry are offered by Gabe Suarez (Suarez International), Jeff Gonzales (Trident Concepts), Clint Smith (Thunder Ranch) and Gunsite Academy. There are many others, but these are in the top tier.

However - a couple of courses alone won't earn you the distinction of "firearms expert." You may earn the admiration of friends and recreational shooters and some shooting professionals, but in a courtroom a short list of courses you attended may paint you as a dilettante. Becoming an instructor yourself at at least the NRA level and regularly demonstrating competence will build that useful and credible "resume."
 

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I'm having a Paul Harvey moment.
I must be too young to get that reference.

Guys, as for legal advice, I appreciate your intention, but have it covered. You've definitely given me a lot to thing about concerning which courses to take, or as a previous poster pointed out, whether it's even a good idea to load up on gun certs. Thanks again for giving me your time and wisdom.
 

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I think there may be more to the story that I do not know and probably should not know. Paul Harvey had a radio show called "The rest of the story" hence the reference.
I am not sure any amount of "certs" are going to make your problem go away.
Good luck, I wish you well.
 

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You don't need a gun course of any type. You need a lawyer smart enough to counter sue and get a "Cease and Desist" order from the judge. Clearly, if what you are saying is true, you have more than ample grounds for legal actions.
 

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I think there may be more to the story that I do not know and probably should not know. Paul Harvey had a radio show called "The rest of the story" hence the reference.
I am not sure any amount of "certs" are going to make your problem go away.
Good luck, I wish you well.
Yeah, aside from being clinically insane, I can't imagine why someone would continue to bring suit against someone over such things. Best guess would be a family member looking for custody.

OP, unless a judge has stated you need more training, which may be a 2A violation, I wouldn't worry about it for the reasons you stated. Do it for yourself, not a potential court case.
 

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I have absolutely no idea where this should be posted.

Here's background context for my question, or just skip to the last paragraph...

For the last five years, my wife & I have been in & out of civil family court for our daughter. We're always sued by the same individual, who uses an attorney to harass and bring frivolous cases to court. We always win and actually bankrupted him, but he's still bringing cases. We've never been court ordered to do anything, but in order to demonstrate how ridiculous this persons claims are, we've preemptively sought out and taken parenting classes, drug tests, psychological evaluations, anger management courses, etc. Naturally, guns always come up since we own them, have an LTC and shoot at the range with our daughter regularly.

So, now for my actual question. For those of you with experience, what high "status" firearms certification or class would we take that would look impressive to a judge, LEO or average citizen, and generally just paint us as firearms experts?

Thanks in advance for any advice.
I'd consider enrolling you and your daughter in a Hunter Safety Class. It's free in most states. I would find it difficult for ANY judge to fault you for learning or teaching your child how to safely handle a firearm. Hunter safety classes are required of all young hunters under 18 even in our gun friendly state of Missouri.

There is no way this can be construed as anything other than educational. They also teach some about conservation. Not in my state, but in states lie FL, a hunter safety class can be use to fulfill training certification needed to obtain a concealed carry permit.
 
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