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Hello,
I am still in the research phase of what handgun I would like to buy for my intended purpose, but I do have some questions.

I have been reading about the entire 9mm vs .45 vs .40, ect... conversations, articles and whatnot. At the moment I am strongly considering a 9mm for various reasons. I do have some questions about the 9mm round though.

I intend on using the pistol for ccw carry in the future, but it will also be used for around the farm needs (killing snakes, coyotes, badgers, ect ect). I simply dont know how powerful a 9mm round is. Something tells me it'll get the job done without fuss, but I'd like to make sure. I guess what I am asking is how is a 9mm for a "ranch pistol?"

Also. I do have a Star Firestar M-43 9mm. I do enjoy the size of the pistol simply because it seems like the "perfect" ccw weapon. I am curious though, is there any 9mm with the same basic measurements that holds more ammo? I will be willing to get a larger handgun, but it's size would seem that it'd be quite easy to keep concealed.

Thanks in advance. :urla9ub:
 

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I carried a Glock 26 (9mm) around our place for several years, the 9mm worked for all kinds of varmints, critters and the occasional animal accident. I may be totally wrong, but I don't get into the caliber vs caliber thing -- I use what firearm I can shoot best and then buy ammo in whatever caliber is stamped on the side of it.
I could shoot that Glock very well (for me), but I found I can shoot my current gun a little better. My wife couldn't hit a thing with the Glock but is great with her little S&W 642s.
Whatever you shoot best is my advice.
And, welcome to the forum!
 

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By no means do I ever feel underpowered when carrying a 9mm. However, I do predominantly carry a 1911 in .45ACP. Not because I think it has more "stopping power", but because that's what I shoot for IDPA/IPSC, and I'm extremely confident in my abilities with it. Plus, I shoot it pretty darn good too :wink:.

The 9mm will definitely take care of little critters. I'd also be pretty confident in killing small/medium sized predators. Although, unless a coyote is up close and personal, a pistol might not be the best choice. You'd definately want to use a quality hollow point for the coyote.

Finally, I'm not familiar with the Star Firestar M-43. But Glock, the Springfield XD line and a few other manufacturers make compact 9mm with high capacity magazines. For instance, the G19 is a compact 9mm which comes with 2 15 round mags. However, you can get G17 (full size 9mm) which holds 17 rounds that will fit right into the G19, or you can even get G18 (full auto version of the G17) mags which holds 30 rounds (I think it's a little more than 30 but I can't remember the exact amount), and these too will fit into the G19, but it will protrude a little :duh:, and it might be a little hard to conceal.
 

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Firstly, Welcome To The Forum!

Thanks for registering on CombatCarry.com
Glad that you've started posting right away. :yup:

I'll allow some other folks respond to your questions but, I'll just include a photo of the STAR Firestar here.
Because our members love photos.

 

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Welcome to the Boards!

Tros,...hmmm...as in those quiet Cans?:image035:
 

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Welcome to the forum...
 

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Many 9mm's would probably work for you. I would feel very comfortable with a Glock 26. :smile:
 

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I don't think 9mm,40 or 45 are the best bet for coyote size animals, but they can be used. I think caliber matters less, now we have good HP ammo.
The Star pistols are ok, but for a bit more you can get a better gun.
 

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Welcome Tros !
QKShooter.... nice firestar.... I miss seeing those pistols. Built like a bank vault...
 

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Please excuse me. It's a Firestar Plus 9mm. I'll simply repeat what the manual says:

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Operating
Operating principle ... ... ... Semi-automatic with short recoil of barrel

Firing Mechanism ... ... ... Single Action

Caliber ... ... ... 9x19 mm (Parabellum)


Dimensions and Weight
Overall length ... ... ... 6.5"

Height ... ... ... 4.920"

Width ... ... ... 1.187"

Barrel length ... ... ... 3.390"

Sighting line ... ... ... 5.040"

Front sight width ... ... ... .140"

Rear sight notch width ... ... ... .140"

Weight of pistol with empty magazine ... ... ... 24.700 oz.

Magazine capacity (standard) ... ... ... 10 rounds

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I imagine there are better 9mm's out there, and I am looking for one. My understanding is that parts are getting quite hard to find for the pistol, and I want something where that is not an issue. With all of that said, I can shoot the Star very well. I am not sure if it's because of the action, or what, but I do shoot better with the particular 9mm. I havent had the chance to shoot any other 9mm semi auto.

In fact, to date, I have only shot a Sig 220 .45 (nice gun, but seems abit larger than I am comfortable to use for ccw) a Ruger P90 .45. The rest of the pistols I've shot have all been revolvers.


Basically what I am looking for is:
- Equal size (or close to)
- Reliablity
- Capacity
- Something good out of the box. I do not know how to mod, nor have the desire.

So, please, keep the suggestions rolling in.

Thanks again!
 

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I don't think 9mm,40 or 45 are the best bet for coyote size animals, but they can be used. I think caliber matters less, now we have good HP ammo.
The Star pistols are ok, but for a bit more you can get a better gun.
I have a feeling I should just go ahead and buy a rifle for the moments when I know I am looking to kills something, huh?

I figured as much about the Star. I do like it, but I've got the bug of wanting a new handgun to add, and I figure another 9mm might be the way to go.
 

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When I am out hunting I use bigger caliber/cartridges . Nothing really wrong with the Star, but a Glock, HK, Sig or loads of others are known for their reliability out of the box. Handle all the guns you possibly can and pick waht feels best to you. (natural point of aim, comfort in the controls , ect. Good luck!
 

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My $0.02...

If you want to be able to take out a coyote, I'd say .357SIG (if it's an autoloader). It's a 9mm sized projectile that packs a bit more punch. If you shoot the Firestar well, look for something that's proportioned in a similar fashion. For example--grip angle. Glocks are fantastic guns, but the grip angle is unusually steep. From the picture it looks like the grip angle is closer to that of a Sig or XD. Another thing about the .357SIG--barrels are usually interchangeable with the .40S&W counterparts (Buy an XD40 and a stock XD357 barrel and you can shoot either, and I think Sig might be the same...maybe Glock too?). If you do go with 9mm make sure it's a gun that can handle at least +p loads. I wouldn't go after a rabid coyote with WWB 9mm FMJ.
 

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Tros,...hmmm...as in those quiet Cans?:image035:
Or maybe the reference is to Tros of Samothrace (sword-wielding hero of fantasy fiction).

Regarding 9mm alternatives to the Firestar, I second what ezterra wrote about Glocks. I find them to have excellent functional reliability and there are several 9mm models in all physical sizes.
 

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Tros is simply the first part of my last name. People have called me it for years. Simple nickname :)

Thanks for the advice.
 

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If you got one...just shoot it till it breaks. Which I think will be a long time before it does so. Besides...parts aren't that hard to come by....especially on the 'net.
The only slight prob I've had with the firestars are I get bit in the web of my hand.

But if your still looking... one rough and tumble pistol to think about would be a Glock 19...
 

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For a knock around gun it's hard to beat the Ruger P-89 series, They come in 9mm or .45. They have stock 15 round mags and you can find 30 rounders if you are planning on just going out to burn some powder. They do stick out the bottom quite a bit. The gun itself and the spare mags are very reasonable in price if that is an issue for you.
 

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You need to handle a SIG 228/229. Those are in my opinion the perfect CCW pistols.

I have the 228 which holds 13 + 1 in 9mm. Although only produced for Fed and military contracts now, many are on the civilian market. It is extremely accurate and I thank my lucky stars to have gotten it.

The 229 can be had in 9mm, .40, and .357 SIG.

You are not undergunned with a 9mm and ammo is so dang cheap. I paid around 10.00 a box for 100 at Wally World for Winchester White Box 115 FMJ for the range!!!! I'm sure there are other better deals than that on ammo.

As far a Star pistols go, they are great quality for the money. Like another poster said, they are built like a bank vault. I have had a Star BM in my sights for a long time. I just have not made the purchase yet.

I think the 9mm will work fine on a coyote at close range, provided you hit something vital. I killed a coyote once with a 12 gauge loaded with 7 1/2 birdshot. It was at close range, maybe 10-12 yards. He was running at me so I had no choice. I wasn't loaded for "coyote" but it did the trick! I think that a 9mm would hit harder than a birdshot load, or at least penetrate more, which I believe is more important.
 

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Welcome, Tros! From Salina, I see. From near there myself. I carry a 9MM Glock around this patch of dirt for small critters. I Use 9MM because it's real cheap and that allows me to practice more. Try to rent or borrow a lot of guns before you buy - see if you have a preference before you buy.
 

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Hi Tros....given that you may need to dispatch critters the size of coyotes or badgers (a tough animals to kill I've heard), have you considered a 10mm? The Glock 20 and 29 are excellent 10mm pistols, and the 29 can be readily concealed for CCW purposes given it's smaller.....load that with practically any 10mm round made by Mike McNett at Double Tap Ammo and you can probably deal with any smaller varmint or other animals.
 
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