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Man, 80, accused of bringing handgun into courthouse - Bay News 9

I guess he didn't read the statutes like he was required. I suspect when the dust settles they'll likely not charge but the article say he's facing a misdemeanor.

HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY (Bay News 9) -- An 80-year-old man was arrested Monday after deputies said he brought a gun into a Tampa courthouse.

According to reports, guards detained Donald A. Koranek as he moved through security at the Edgecomb Court Complex in downtown Tampa. A screener noticed he had a semi-automatic handgun strapped to his belt when he removed his jacket.

Koranek told the screener that he had a concealed weapons permit, the report said.

Earlier, guards said Koranek had stepped from the line after he was told that he could not bring a pocket knife into the building. He returned to the courthouse after putting the pocket knife in his car.

Koranek is facing misdemeanor charges. His case has been referred to the Hillsborough State Attorney's Office.
 

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I'm guessing his thought process went something like this:

"Sir, you can't bring that pocket knife in here..."
"Oh well, guess I'll make do with the gun..." :blink:

Just goes to show ya, they can't test for common sense when applying for a license...
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I'm guessing his thought process went something like this:

"Sir, you can't bring that pocket knife in here..."
"Oh well, guess I'll make do with the gun..." :blink:

Just goes to show ya, they can't test for common sense when applying for a license...
:smile::smile:Yeah, I think there may be a tad bit of senility coming into play here.
 

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I'm guessing his thought process went something like this:

"Sir, you can't bring that pocket knife in here..."
"Oh well, guess I'll make do with the gun..." :blink:

Just goes to show ya, they can't test for common sense when applying for a license...
I once entered a non-prohibited place that did use metal detectors. They made me check my pocket knife and I walked on in with my 1911 and spare mag.

In CO to be off-limits they must have permanent metal detectors in place (they did) AND screen everyone who enters (they don't screen employees) AND provide safe storage for your weapon (they don't).

It really made me shake my head. After finding my pocket knife they never made me walk back through or wanded me.

I would have to take the light rail back to the car, so I just figured I'd take my chances walking in. I asked if she wanted me to go back through the metal detectors (I would have taken it to the car then) but she said to come on in, so I did. My wife said she felt like Ferris Bueller, rubbing the rabbit's foot as I came through. I went to a different screener from her. I didn't want her face giving me away.
 

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Gee, and my little old belt buckle sets off the TSA alarm every time. Yet Cowboy Bob with the Champion Rodeo Rider mondo belt buckle walks right thru. Go figure.
 

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The screeners are only there to make the gen pop FEEL GOOD.

The metal detectors are set off by my belt buckle, pocket change, keys, etc. So I place them into the doggie dish with my glasses, cell phone, wallet and checkbook and they run the dish through the x-ray. Half the time the x-ray guy wants me to remove something (usually the checkbook) so that they can run it again to be sure that there isn't any contraband in all the metal.

After all that, my BOOTS still set off the detector. My Rolex doesn't, and yes, it's genuine SS.

But my pen (which can be used as a stabbing weapon) is OK. So is my briefcase (club), and my cane (club/staff) or the cord on my windbreaker (garrote). There are any number of things I can LEGALLY bring through a metal detector which can be used as a terror weapon IF I so choose (which I don't). This is because the one thing that they cannot prohibit me from bringing through the detector is myself. And so long as a human can pass through they cannot stop or defend against violence because a human can ALWAYS devise some type of weapon that cannot be detected or which will legally pass through the screening process.

The one thing I've noticed in all the situations where they ban weapons there seems to be a common theme. "They" back a guy against the wall and into a corner and then tell him that if he stays there he'll be punished. At that point the guy has little or nothing to lose so he'll fight if pressed too hard. So, given that our "system" seems to do this at whim, what do they expect.

That being said, what did the guy in Fla. expect would happen? He KNEW that it was a prohibited place.
 

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Sad, but every CHL holder must know the laws, and especially to most obvious ones. I hope his instructor is questioned by the dept that issues licenses.

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Sad, but every CHL holder must know the laws, and especially to most obvious ones. I hope his instructor is questioned by the dept that issues licenses.

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In Florida there is no CCW instruction per se. We can qualify several ways and then we must acknowledge on the application that we are familiar with fs 790. Some people just don't take knowing the relevant statutes seriously enough especially on something so serious as carrying a weapon.
 

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In Florida there is no CCW instruction per se. We can qualify several ways and then we must acknowledge on the application that we are familiar with fs 790. Some people just don't take knowing the relevant statutes seriously enough especially on something so serious as carrying a weapon.
You are right. It can be costly.

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I'm guessing his thought process went something like this:

"Sir, you can't bring that pocket knife in here..."
"Oh well, guess I'll make do with the gun..." :blink:

Just goes to show ya, they can't test for common sense when applying for a license...
That's what I was thinking. I don't want to see people loose their permit, but if you know you can't carry a knife and think that a gun must be ok, then your reasoning process isn't working correctly.
 

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I once entered a non-prohibited place that did use metal detectors. They made me check my pocket knife and I walked on in with my 1911 and spare mag.

In CO to be off-limits they must have permanent metal detectors in place (they did) AND screen everyone who enters (they don't screen employees) AND provide safe storage for your weapon (they don't).

It really made me shake my head. After finding my pocket knife they never made me walk back through or wanded me.

I would have to take the light rail back to the car, so I just figured I'd take my chances walking in. I asked if she wanted me to go back through the metal detectors (I would have taken it to the car then) but she said to come on in, so I did. My wife said she felt like Ferris Bueller, rubbing the rabbit's foot as I came through. I went to a different screener from her. I didn't want her face giving me away.
I assume we can carry on the Light Rail and RTD busses?
 

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Thats right and you can carry at DIA. Not through to the secure area. If there is no metal dector or screener you are good to go. Fed buildings excepted.
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LOL maybe he just did it to be a PITA. I used to work with a guy like that. He always had a gun or bow in his SUV. One morning on my way to work I saw him proned out next to his SUV surrounded by police. After he made it to work an hour late we aked him what happened. "They pulled me over and I had my .44 with me. After I pulled over I helled my hands out the window and yelled "I HAVE A WEAPON!"
Yes he was dropped on his head as a child.

As a surveyor I was in and out of court houses quite often looking up deeds and plats. Only Jackson county had a metal detector, and everything set it off. I got to where I left everything in the vehicle and the hooks on my boots even set it off. One day I was wearing a sleeveless shirt and commented that "theres nothing up my sleeve" which illicited laughter from the whole room.
 

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Back in the days when CCL was may issue and left up to the sheriff, instead of shall issue by the State it was legal to carry everywhere, including courthouse, LEO’s departments, etc.

I guess the old guy has not kept up with the 20 year old changes.
 

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Gee, and my little old belt buckle sets off the TSA alarm every time. Yet Cowboy Bob with the Champion Rodeo Rider mondo belt buckle walks right thru. Go figure.
It must have been the second place buckle then...:wink:
 

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OK, here's the question, the screener stopped him before he was past the screening point. How can they charge him? If that were the case then EVERYONE they turn back to their car to remove knives, pens, etc. would be guilty of the same misdemeanor. I mean thats the whole point of the check point, so weapons don't get past the checkpoint.

Here's my story:
I had to drop some paper work concerning child support for my daughter off at the Friend of The Court. The office is in the court house so I know its a Criminal Safe (Law abiding gun free zone).

So I am not carrying my gun. I do however have a TINY folding pocket knife that actually looks like a key on my key ring. Folded its no longer than a house or car key. open the blade is less than 2".

Pre-911 I have actually flown with it in my pocket.

When I get to the metal detectors I take the keys out and show the Sheriff Deputy the knife. I asked if it was OK to take through. He says, "nope, no weapons."
Thats OK, although I hardly think this thing could be used as a DEADLY Weapon. At any rate I take the knife back to my truck. remove it from the key ring, and go back to the scanners. As I am placing the rest of the stuff in the basket to go thru the xray machine he sees my old palm pilot. Basic model, no cell phone, no camera.
He tells me I can't take it thru. (I have taken it through in the past).
I think they figure they don't want camera phones in the court rooms.
No problem, I turn around and head back to my truck a second time to leave the palm. I know he was just following procedure, and I could have argued with him that the palm did not have picture capability, but I figured it's not worth the hassle, plus a little extra walking wasn't going to kill me.
 

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Back in the days when CCL was may issue and left up to the sheriff, instead of shall issue by the State it was legal to carry everywhere, including courthouse, LEO’s departments, etc.
This is how it is still in MA, which is a 'may issue' state.

MA statute does _not_ disallow lawful carry in to a police station nor courthouse, even as common assumption is that these places and bars too are off limits.

I have literally carried concealed into and among a MA police station before, once. Generally though as my own personal rule I choose to not do so and leave all arms as properly secured per statute in my car.
While with courthouses they all are stated no arms allowed as to citizenry/public visitors. Court houses here though have mangetrons and manned court security who are themselves a specific type of LEO.
You can be lawfully refused entry by them for any given reason including having arms. As well they can arrest on the basis of trespass or disturbing the peace as related to refusal to disarm or leave the grounds upon direction to do so.
This though does not apply to the federal courthouse buildings within MA which themselves are fed grounds and thus subject to the US Code.

As is usual one has to review their own individual state laws.

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That's nothing, our DA forgot he had a handgun in a box he checked through the xray machine. He is now facing an investigation by the sheriff's office, with any possible charges to be sent to the Attorney General. He forgot it was there, we all believe that. If an ordinary citizen forgets and brings one in they get charged in most cases. I think what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
 
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