I see that Florida is listing some licensee names on the web now.
Go to http://www.wftv.com/news/5272863/detail.html
Go to http://www.wftv.com/news/5272863/detail.html
Florida CCW Listings
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The article itself is a good read and includes some pro-carry points.
Listing the names of permitholders serves no positive purpose and allows criminals to have a handy list of homes with guns, and points the way for anti employers and neighbors to discriminate and ostracize. :grumpy:
Listing the names of permitholders serves no positive purpose and allows criminals to have a handy list of homes with guns, and points the way for anti employers and neighbors to discriminate and ostracize. :grumpy:
Yeah, I already fought this battle. Took it all the way to the State Attorney General and the Governor. It's legal UNLESS they cite the name of serving, retired or FORMER LEO's. Then it's a felony. Folks like the New Times here in Miami have been counselled for revealing that the former chief of police has a CCW Permit. My place of employment..well every school can be forced to give out the names and addresses of Teachers (they usually don't) to just about anybody who asks on the same basis. I let all my school sites know right up that they cannot do that to ME as a former LEO. But my complaints about this seem to have some legislators thinking about a privacy revision in the law. I'm working a similar measure to get all teachers notified of the presence of a felon in their classes. Liberals currently protect and shield these poor misbegotten creatures....
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For the life of me, I cannot understand why they'd list the names and addresses on the website. I'm sure the argument is that the public has the right to know who holds a state license to do anything, but I would think that one would have a good chance of challenging it in court - privacy concerns would, I think, outweigh the need of the public to know.
It would be interesting if someone did a study based on crime statistics to see what percentage of burglaries in each county were committed against those who were versus those who were not licensed to carry. I bet you'd find that there'd be at least a slight difference, with those who are not on the licensed list being on top. But of course, paying for such a study wouldn't be a politically correct expenditure of tax dollars, right? Right?
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Jon
It would be interesting if someone did a study based on crime statistics to see what percentage of burglaries in each county were committed against those who were versus those who were not licensed to carry. I bet you'd find that there'd be at least a slight difference, with those who are not on the licensed list being on top. But of course, paying for such a study wouldn't be a politically correct expenditure of tax dollars, right? Right?
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Jon
Comparison Study
It would be a dangerous game, but I know punks who might think they're up to the challenge. I teach some of them in my classroom. well...they actually don't learn...they usually sit there, rap with their buds and fail my class.....They sit in school between jail terms until they're old enough to be put out permanently.
Then you could do a comparison study to see how many folks who were listed as a permit holder on the site had been burgled (residents NOT at home) so their guns could be stolen. Or how many had been robbed and shot first thing so as not to have a chance and then wallet and gun were taken....so the BG stalks them...and having the advantage of "surprise...." makes the kill. He gets the money and the bonus for a new gun.....That is until he runs into somebody who's not just a novice and takes the right to carry and defend oneself seriously.BigJon said:
It would be a dangerous game, but I know punks who might think they're up to the challenge. I teach some of them in my classroom. well...they actually don't learn...they usually sit there, rap with their buds and fail my class.....They sit in school between jail terms until they're old enough to be put out permanently.
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Sounds like Ohio's trick too! I have a FL non-res - wonder if they'll list me and those like me too!
It serves no useful purpose whatsoever - other than to strip legitate gun owners/carriers of their basic right to privacy. One of the biggest advanatges of CCW is the ''not knowing'' aspects as far as BG's go - which is why crime is so usefully controlled. But as has been mentioned, spreading folk's names around just could invite targeting - either for reasons of attempted gun theft or simply enabling BG's to be forewarned if they chose to try anything on.
IMO the only people who should know this info are the ''authorities'' - and that info to stay there. Hell - the FEDS can look folks up if needed but that's about as far as it need go.
Another slant - if this info is published then it strikes me it gets unpleasantly close to the publishing of sex offenders names - which I do totally endorse. But hey - CCW's are not in this league, pulleez.
(Frantic anti - ''OMG - my neighbor carries a gun" <horror> )
It serves no useful purpose whatsoever - other than to strip legitate gun owners/carriers of their basic right to privacy. One of the biggest advanatges of CCW is the ''not knowing'' aspects as far as BG's go - which is why crime is so usefully controlled. But as has been mentioned, spreading folk's names around just could invite targeting - either for reasons of attempted gun theft or simply enabling BG's to be forewarned if they chose to try anything on.
IMO the only people who should know this info are the ''authorities'' - and that info to stay there. Hell - the FEDS can look folks up if needed but that's about as far as it need go.
Another slant - if this info is published then it strikes me it gets unpleasantly close to the publishing of sex offenders names - which I do totally endorse. But hey - CCW's are not in this league, pulleez.
(Frantic anti - ''OMG - my neighbor carries a gun" <horror> )
Florida CCW lists
Yeh, I was surprised when I found that FL newspaper article ! As Betty said , the article did have though some real good info.The law here in KY ,at least I was told, is that even LEO's can't see our CCW lists (doesn't sound true though I know, but it's supposed to be). Also , supposedly again, the media (of all people!) can obtain lists but cannot ask for just any one person but must purchase the entire state list of CCW holders (for a goodly price I've heard). Money rules !!
Yeh, I was surprised when I found that FL newspaper article ! As Betty said , the article did have though some real good info.The law here in KY ,at least I was told, is that even LEO's can't see our CCW lists (doesn't sound true though I know, but it's supposed to be). Also , supposedly again, the media (of all people!) can obtain lists but cannot ask for just any one person but must purchase the entire state list of CCW holders (for a goodly price I've heard). Money rules !!
Florida CCW list
Well, the URL I originally posted this morning which referred to the Florida media article and listing the CCW holders names and addresses has now changed and does not now list the names !!????? I guess it seems they updated the news release and it no longer shows the 'clickable' county CCW lists . Don't know if it was removed for some ?? reason or just replaced by later news, etc ???? Hmmm
Well, the URL I originally posted this morning which referred to the Florida media article and listing the CCW holders names and addresses has now changed and does not now list the names !!????? I guess it seems they updated the news release and it no longer shows the 'clickable' county CCW lists . Don't know if it was removed for some ?? reason or just replaced by later news, etc ???? Hmmm
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first thing you didnt mention is those people gave there names to a reporter who then had the full right of the 1st ammendment to freedom of the press and free speach. the state didnt publish those names the people gave away there names to the press!
our local paper did the same thing. they said it was in the public's interest. these reporters get me 
. they got phone calls and emails from all over and the list magically disappeared just like this one. maybe one day the reporters will get the idea concealed means concealed. i doubt they will, that would require some intelligence on their part.
. they got phone calls and emails from all over and the list magically disappeared just like this one. maybe one day the reporters will get the idea concealed means concealed. i doubt they will, that would require some intelligence on their part.
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They got pounded yesterday with calls and emails to their editorial staff as well as their advertisers and state legislators.Kentucky said:
It happened about 3:15 yesterday afternoon, after what I suspect was a LONG day for whoever answers their phones.
Matt
You may have missed the posted Excel spreadsheets listing every CCW in 4 counties. No one here is complaining about the people that willing talked to the reporters, just the publication of the entire list. I bothered me to be on the list, now I gotta finish that safe in the closet, just in case. So m uch for remaining anonymous.JAMES BOND said:
I was at a Forensics Conference in Panama City when I found out about this. My wife told me when I called her one evening.
I was all set to come back to Orlando and Web publish the name, address and property value of the senior folks that worked at the TV station.
Hey, that's public information too, right?
Luckily they pulled the link before I got back to town
I was all set to come back to Orlando and Web publish the name, address and property value of the senior folks that worked at the TV station.
Hey, that's public information too, right?
Luckily they pulled the link before I got back to town
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