[pelletm]

I've been waiting a little over 100 days in Florida for my permit. I just got a letter from the state wanting to know the disposition of a case from 1974. The FBI has it listed as a felony and no disposition. Well I called Sarasota County to get a certified copy of the disposition. Next day lady calls me back and says they cannot find anything but she will send me a certified copy that she did a due and diligent search.

Now as to what happened 35 years ago. I had a new 4 wheel drive truck and was out in the woods. One of the trails I was on brought me out onto a school yard. I pulled out and made a quick u-turn and headed back in the woods. Well there was an officer there that saw me. I guess he got out on the street and started to look for me. He grabbed me about an hour later and was pissed. I guess he thought I was trying to run from him.

Anyway to the point. I was charged with "destruction of public property" (churning up the grass when I made my turn) and "fleeing to elude" (when he could not find me for an hour)

I went to court but for the life of me I cannot remember the outcome other than the judge was not impressed with the charge once I told my story. It was never classed as a felony.

So once I get the letter I'll send it all back to Tallahassee and see what happens. I also called the Sarasota Police Dept to see if they had some record of it and the officer I talked to said I should be OK as they don't keep records back that far.

So we will see.

 

[RETSUPT99]

Were the charges reduced or dismissed Seems like one would remember that. I'm just sayin'...

 

[ccw9mm]

If as described ...

You disrupted a bit of grass, so you get charged with destruction of property and fleeing/eluding, and then it gets jacked to a felony? Sounds stupid enough. (Sounds like you turned your car, then went that-a-way. Ooooooh, you felon, you!)

Kudos to the judge for seeing the stupidity and Nazi "smell" of it all.

 

[pelletm]

Well it was 35 years ago but for the life of me I cannot remember the outcome. I know I walked out but I don't remember a fine. I do remember telling the judge that I would replace the sod I tore up if he wanted me to.

The county told me their records go back to 1919 so I'm thinking he just dismissed it if there is no record.

 

[SIGguy229]

There should at least be a record of a dismissal...

That aside...seriously....35 years ago? I'm thinking something like that would have popped up sooner during an NCIC check when you purchased firearms...

 

[RugerSP101]

Well it was 35 years ago but for the life of me I cannot remember the outcome.

I wouldnt feel bad.
I cant remember my name most mornings :image035:

 

[mcp1810]

Was the cop named Officer Obie? Did he have twenty seven eight by ten color glossy photographs with circles and arrows and and a paragraph on the back of each one, explaining what each one was to be used as evidence against you?

Sorry, when I read this I just flashed back to Arlo Guthrie and Alice's Restaurant:smile:

 

[newhunter1]

I just go my Fla CCW and had the same thing...except mine was 13 years ago. I was able to look it up on the internet and called the lady at the review office and she looked it up as well. Liscense issued...I would call Mrs. Johnson at the review office and relate what the person said about not being able to find the information and ask what would be sufficient for you to obtain your CCW.

 

[DrLewall]

I too had a little run in with the law way back in "74"...it haunts me everytime I go to renew..I just produce my copy of the Pardon letter and a note from the FBI..yeah it's a pain, but worth the effort.

 

[swinokur]

I'm in the same boat. FL wants more info on a 19 year old misdemeanor charge in DC. I am still waiting for the Superior Court to send me a certified copy of the disposition. In the meantime UT, NV and VA have issued me CCW permits. FL is either very cautious or stupid, because my charge is an obvious misdemeanor for which I paid a fine. I am not disqualified from a CCW according to FL

Still waiting. Maybe I kissed 117 bucks goodbye. Not sure yet.

 

[pelletm]

From the letter I gather they just want to make sure if it was a felony that I had my rights restored. Since it wasn't I think I will be OK with the certified letter.

I hope

 

[jplate3]

I had a similar situation happen to me, although, it was on a violation. Not sure if it's exactly what happened to you, but I was charged with the violation(s) and, same thing, the judge was going to "cut me a break", considering the fact that I had never been in trouble before, not even a traffic or parking ticket. He gave my case an ACD (Adjournment in Contemplation of Dismissal), which is as good as a full dismissal if you keep your nose clean for 6 months.

Six months after an ACD, the judge is supposed to dismiss the case and seal the record. It basically goes away like it never happened. Well, somewhere along the line, my case never got dealt with. About 8 years later, I filled out the paperwork to teach hunter safety classes and found out that the tickets were still open and had no disposition.

The moral of this story is to follow up in that situation and don't rely on others (even a judge!) to make sure your record is cleaned up.

 

[shooterX]

Was the cop named Officer Obie? Did he have twenty seven eight by ten color glossy photographs with circles and arrows and and a paragraph on the back of each one, explaining what each one was to be used as evidence against you?

Sorry, when I read this I just flashed back to Arlo Guthrie and Alice's Restaurant:smile:

:rofl::rofl:Good one.

Hope it works out, let us know the end result.

 

[Grant48]

FL wants more info... In the meantime UT, NV and VA have issued me CCW permits. FL is either very cautious or stupid

Florida's licenses are issued by the Dept of Agriculture, which is not a law enforcement agency... Thus, they do not have access to FBI's NCIC. Therefore, their background checks are done by other means, and apparently sometimes they are not privy to official disposition of dismissed charges.

UT, NV, and VA licenses are issued by law enforcement agencies, with NCIC access. This would explain why they were able to issue your CCWs without asking you to provide additional info.

 

[yellow7rr]

Florida's licenses are issued by the Dept of Agriculture, which is not a law enforcement agency... Thus, they do not have access to FBI's NCIC. Therefore, their background checks are done by other means, and apparently sometimes they are not privy to official disposition of dismissed charges.

UT, NV, and VA licenses are issued by law enforcement agencies, with NCIC access. This would explain why they were able to issue your CCWs without asking you to provide additional info.

This happened to me too but I was a florida reident at the time I was hooked up. Charges were dropped at the station as I was swept up just for being there but the charge shows anyway.

I went to the court they did a search came up with nothing as I never went to court. Gave me a certified letter saying they could find nothing sent it in and 3 days later got a call from Barbara Morris saying she was going to issue and a week later there it was.

 

[swinokur]

Florida's licenses are issued by the Dept of Agriculture, which is not a law enforcement agency... Thus, they do not have access to FBI's NCIC. Therefore, their background checks are done by other means, and apparently sometimes they are not privy to official disposition of dismissed charges.

UT, NV, and VA licenses are issued by law enforcement agencies, with NCIC access. This would explain why they were able to issue your CCWs without asking you to provide additional info.

Except that the paper work FL sent me quoted the source for the incomplete record as the FBI

 

[fatblakcat]

Its a weird thing... I myself am a little worried about what might pop up on my background check as i was arrested in a honest to go drug sting. however to make sure you guys understand i am not a dealer nor a user it was a honest to God "wrong place wrong time" senario that I'm hoping doesn't haunt me the rest of my life. all chargers were drop for the simple fact that the person they were looking for they got and there just happened to be a bunch of minors there at the time they chose to bust in, I being one of them. since we had no affiliation with the man which was my friends dad he took the wrap spent time in jail and they let me off without charges. Also per the fact that i didnt have an ounce of dope on me, i was clean as a whistle. I guess im telling you all this because i spoke to the clerk about it and she said that if you never sat before a judge for any sort of sentencing or charging of a crime you are not going to have to worry about that popping up on the check in any negative way.... so what do you guys think?

 

[Grant48]

Except that the paper work FL sent me quoted the source for the incomplete record as the FBI

Even the FBI and NCIC can be inaccurate and/or incomplete, especially if the incident occurred before computerized records were commonplace.

 

[pelletm]

My letter also said it was an FBI check that turned up the charge. I was very surprised as there are other things in my past and I had completely forgotten about this.

 

[swinokur]

Even the FBI and NCIC can be inaccurate and/or incomplete, especially if the incident occurred before computerized records were commonplace.

Then how can it be I have passed 4 NICS checks for purchases and have received 3 CCW permits from other states, VA, NV and UT?

As I said, FL is either stupid or cautious. Not sure which. I am still waiting on the DC court to send me a certified copy of the disposition of my case so I can try once again to get my FL CCW.

I hope the above is the latter.