I am going to give frog lube a try and see how it works for myself. My question is why would you need the liquid and the paste. From what I can see they serve the same purpose. Am I missing something?
I think the smell of hoppes is awesome. It reminds me of cleaning guns with my dad when I was little, and for that i will keep it. Plus Hoppes bore solvent is the sweetest perfume ever ... seriously though, I dont care how awesome frog lube is , unless it field strips detail cleans and makes me breakfast, im not paying their crazy prices. Hoppes has worked on my handed down winchester model 37 for years, and will work for many more.Irony indeed that you start this thread. I have been trying to get the lowdown on FL for the past few weeks. I just received my packet of FL that I ordered. It arrived yesterday. I ordered the kit off ebay on Friday and it arrived Monday, contains both the liquid and the creme.
I have had a protracted conversation about it over on the ruger forums. And I am still a doubting thomas and have yet to apply it to any gun. But I will say that its a whole different animal than hoppes. The smell was the first to hit me. It spells exactly like Lifesavers Wintergreen. If you hate wintergreen, you are really in for a ride with FL.
In brief testing last night I found that their claim that it softens skin is true. Myself and my two granddaughters all rubbed some on our hands and it felt like having the best hand cream on the planet on our hands. After using hoppes, my hands feel dry and chapped and I usually need some hand cream afterwards. I can see FL not causing this and quite the opposite, actually moisturizing my hands during gun cleaning sessions.
The creme has the consistency of Carmex or slightly softer. Not quite soft as crisco consistency. I can easily see it being an advantage when applying to vertical surfaces where you want it to stay in place. The liquid is about the consistency of maple syrup. I see it being used inside trigger assemblies and places that are hard to get the thicker paste into like spring channels and gas ports.
I did look at the prices, $35ish for a kit of 4oz bottle, 4oz creme, cleaning brush and microfiber towel. Not the cheapest thing in the world but my God how much we spend on other things in this sport/hobby. From what I have been told this stuff goes a loooooog way. And the mistake that seems to happen most is over use of FL until you really get used to the product and how little you should be using. As I said, I have yet to apply it to any gun and I intend to test it on some household items prior to committing it to gun use.
But, I will say that my granddaughters (6,9) are all in favor of the smell opposed to hoppes as is the old lady. The 9yr old is actually willing to help clean the guns when I try FL and went so far as to ask when I was going to do it. So that right there is positive advancement. they leave the room/house when I clean the guns as they hate the hoppes smell. I am an old fart and, sorry, but I like the smell of Hoppes.
I have seen several tests done for corrosion/rust prevention (P in CLP). FL seems to fair better than all current products that I have seen on the market. I have also seen reports saying they get an increase in muzzle velocity and action smoothness using FL. So far, no verifiable test results.
One tub for $10 or so will last a good year. I love the stuff. I apply it in paste form and it thins out while I shoot yet it does not get all runny like other lubes. Also it seems to absorb all the gunk which makes for a very easy wipe down after shooting. lastly, it smells great and is non-toxic, so once I put all the ammo in a separate room, I can clean my gun in the living room while watching my daughter play with her toys. Seems like a win win win situation to me. I can not explain the science behind it, but I would highly recommend the product to anyone.havent used it.... costs too much money when there are other products that work for far less and work just fine.