[BenGoodLuck]

Georgia detective allegedly pulls gun in McDonald's drive-thru | Fox News

The police officer allegedly pointed a gun at a man during an argument on April 9. The man's friend says he "saw [the officer's] badge under his shirt."

I'm posting this here because this is a nightmare of a scenario. Suppose you saw something like this and the officer was actually trying to arrest the people in the car. This story is a perfect example of why we need to be good witnesses and call 911 unless we know for sure what is happening.

A second scenario: suppose they hadn't seen the badge and shot the officer because they were in fear for their lives. Would they be justified under the law for defending themselves? Even if they did see his badge, how would they know that the man was a legitimate police officer unless he identified himself?

 

[Hodad]

Pretty scary. Sounds like a no win situation for the person on the wrong end of the gun.

 

[gottabkiddin]

Bye bye Barney Fife! :bye:


Just a side note. When some idiot is caught on camera doing something wrong, we should drop the adverb "allegedly" from the statement and just say it like it is, a fact. :smile:

 

[Harryball]

If the officer was arresting someone he would being yelling commands like an officer. I would not dream of getting involved.

As to your second scenario. The cop was acting like a thug, if you are going to act like a thug, then I will treat you like a thug....

 

[Crowman]

This shows that there are a few law enforcement officers that should not be officers...... One just hopes they never have an encounter with these types since it can get ugly for the civilian............

 

[BenGoodLuck]

Just a side note. When some idiot is caught on camera doing something wrong, we should drop the adverb "allegedly" from the statement and just say it like it is, a fact. :smile:

I agree 100%, gottabkiddin. I hate the word 'allegedly', but I'm still a firm believer in due process and innocent until proven guilty. The camera may not lie, but it sure doesn't tell the whole story. All we have right now is the news article and the man's side of the story. We really don't know all the facts.

I was just intrigued by the implications of the scenario and thought it might be a good jumping off point for discussion.

 

[velo99]

He could be legally shot in Texas. We have a provision for that even if you know they are a cop. Now the fall out would be an entirely different story.

 

[1MoreGoodGuy]

That cop is lucky his chosen victim was one of the unarmed sheeple...might have been reading a totally different story had he drew his weapon on someone who was prepared to answer his deadly threat with a deadly response.

 

[ctr]

And over McDonalds food, goodness sake. The food is not that great.

 

[Bill MO]

Mash told MyFoxAtlanta.com that he was waiting for his food, and he said he told Biumi that's the only reason he was still sitting in the line.
"And he's like, 'Whatever,' and walked back to his car," Mash said. "Then I was like, 'Sorry for the inconvenience, sir,' and he got back out and started yelling at me."
Mash said Biumi told him, "You don't want to mess with me," before putting his hand on Mash's shoulder and pulling out his gun.


Read more: Georgia detective allegedly pulls gun in McDonald's drive-thru | Fox News

"IF" and this would be something we only know if we are there but if it happened as stated in article and I was the one sitting in the drivers seat of attacked car. I would deal with it the same as any other BG assault situation.

I'm driving off, running over his stupid a** or shooting him to the ground. He was NOT there as a LEO but as a thug. He therefore deserves to be treated as one.

I do question this part of the quote "Then I was like, 'Sorry for the inconvenience, sir,'. Just say a little on the mushy side to be real.

 

[Ghost1958]

LE doing their job act like LE unless they are narcs or whatever. Start to pull a gun on me with no reason and no badge showing and if im fast enough your shot or if im to slow I am. But that is the end we are going to.

 

[GeorgiaShooter]

Exactly my thoughts 1MoreGoodguy. He wouldn't have had a chance in hell doing that with me. I plan, prepare and train for those precise moments. Not all cops are wise or smart. How many times has he done this in the past I wonder?

 

[GeorgiaShooter]

LE doing their job act like LE unless they are narcs or whatever. Start to pull a gun on me with no reason and no badge showing and if im fast enough your shot or if im to slow I am. But that is the end we are going to.

Watch this video, it's very short. YOU ARE FAST ENOUGH. Even if he's standing there with trigger on finger your action beats his reaction. It would all depend on where you hit him. It takes me about 200 milliseconds to shoot someone standing in my car window. That was a very poorly trained cop. And Dekalb County is packed with them.

Action vs Reaction - Proxy beats Skill - Live Fire Video Demo - YouTube

 

[BeefyG]

I do question this part of the quote "Then I was like, 'Sorry for the inconvenience, sir,'. Just say a little on the mushy side to be real.

I can imagine him saying it very sarcastically in a confrontational tone. He's 18 so I wouldn't be surprised if he was mouthing off. Not that it excuses the officers behavior at all.

 

[Secret Spuk]

Well they certainly dont make cops like they used to. I think this officers reaction may have been the result of having a few too many. I dont know if it's the indoctrination, or the police society but it seems that far too many officers cant forget that badge. IMO this is an example of an officer over-reacting, and making a mountain of a mole hill. Then to display a firearm... thats insanity. The police it seems have become a society unto themselves. Again this is a good example of how some officers see themselves as above the law, or empowered to act outside the laws. The laws being enforceable only against non officers.

 

[Secret Spuk]

Watch this video, it's very short. YOU ARE FAST ENOUGH. Even if he's standing there with trigger on finger your action beats his reaction. It would all depend on where you hit him. It takes me about 200 milliseconds to shoot someone standing in my car window. That was a very poorly trained cop. And Dekalb County is packed with them.

Action vs Reaction - Proxy beats Skill - Live Fire Video Demo - YouTube

ARE YOU FAST ENOUGH?... No one is. Having done thousands of car stops, quite a few on armed bad guys, and one in particular where the driver had every intent to shoot and kill me. Speed of reaction is IME not as important as the mindset, and the tactics used by the Officer. The dynamics are a bit more complex than demonstrated in the vidio.

1) Every car stop should be considered a possible ambush. (mindset)
2) Keep the driver and those under investigation off balance using position, and lights.
3) Keep moving and dont get tunnel vision on anything... anything. Keep your eyes moving.
4) If something dont seem right... It's not. Get backup.
5) OK... so if they get away... Your alive to get them another day. (Mindset)
6) It's also OK for you to run away.

 

[CigarStix]

Goodnight madman, Bang Bang!

 

[ItalianSteel]

I'm glad no one was hurt here and that the proper action has been taken with the officer being charged. Always good to see that cops are not above the law.

 

[91wm6]

Watch this video, it's very short. YOU ARE FAST ENOUGH. Even if he's standing there with trigger on finger your action beats his reaction. It would all depend on where you hit him. It takes me about 200 milliseconds to shoot someone standing in my car window. That was a very poorly trained cop. And Dekalb County is packed with them.

Action vs Reaction - Proxy beats Skill - Live Fire Video Demo - YouTube

Georgia shooter I couldn't tell if you started out holding the pistol, or with a holstered pistol. Either way you have an extremely fast draw. How long and how much practice did it take to get so fast?

 

[BugDude]

And over McDonalds food, goodness sake. The food is not that great.

He thought he was at Burger King...your way, right away...