Glock 23 VS Taurus 709

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C Bennett

Discussion Starter · Jan 12, 2010

Ok guys I wanted to ask this on a NON Bias forum so here it goes. I currently own a Glock 23. Its a 2nd Generation(no rail) Glock thats been 100%. I can shoot it well and its totally reliable..

the only thing that I DONT like about it is..It feels horrible in my hands when shooting and I often have to repossession my hands to get the grip right if im shooting more than a few rounds..I dont think this would be a concern in a SD scenerio but for range shooting/practice it is. Also I find it a tad bit big and bulky for year around CC use the slide is a bit thick. Although I have carried it in the summer with cargo type shorts and a baggy t shirt with no problems.

I have been looking to trade or even sell the Glock for around 2 years now with no luck. But yesterday while talking to a local gun store I was told that they had a shipment of Taurus 709 Slims coming in on Thurs or Fri this week. He said that he would trade for what basically amounts to $25 out of pocket for me for a new Taurus 709 slim. This would be a trade for my Glock 23 with 3 hi cap mags Warren Tactical(all black not night sights)sights and the original tupperware box and mag loader.

What should I do guys..should I trade for a brand new out of the box gun that will be lighter and thinner and probably better year around CC..or stick with what I got and know is reliable??

NOTE: I have bought,sold,traded plenty of guns over the years and have NEVER regretted a single sale or trade..if I like something THAT well I just KEEP it..so this would not be something I would regret ebcause I have any love for the gun..I just want to know if its a decent deal or not and if its worth it?

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Pete14

· #2 · Jan 12, 2010

I have a 2 gen G23 and would suggest maybe putting more ammo through it. Have you shot it very much? Since 1990 I probably have only put 300 rounds through mine and it feels wierd every time I shoot it but I get used to it pretty quick. I think you will regret getting rid of it!

joker1

· #3 · Jan 12, 2010

I hear a lot of comments about the sketchy reliability of taurus semi-autos, consider that. I personally love my Glock 19 and I've got the wife wanting a Glock 9mm of her own, but the grip is just too thick. I wish Glock would make a single stack in 9mm.

Joker1

Theman9mm

· #4 · Jan 12, 2010

I had a G23 and didn't like so i sold it for my taurus pt145. I have the pt709 and love it, It's almost the only gun I carry.. Do the trade... :image035:

SIXTO

· #5 · Jan 12, 2010

Don't trade the Glock for a Taurus. I'd look for something a little more equal.

C Bennett

Discussion Starter · #6 · Jan 12, 2010

Pete14 said:
I have a 2 gen G23 and would suggest maybe putting more ammo through it. Have you shot it very much? Since 1990 I probably have only put 300 rounds through mine and it feels wierd every time I shoot it but I get used to it pretty quick. I think you will regret getting rid of it!

ive put over 1000 rounds through it in the last 2-3 years mixed .40 and 9mm(with the conversion barrel)

C Bennett

Discussion Starter · #7 · Jan 12, 2010

joker1 said:
I hear a lot of comments about the sketchy reliability of taurus semi-autos, consider that. I personally love my Glock 19 and I've got the wife wanting a Glock 9mm of her own, but the grip is just too thick. I wish Glock would make a single stack in 9mm.

Joker1

Me too, I HATE the Glocks grips and would not buy another one but I got this one because I tried to convince myself 5 years ago when I bought it that id "get used to" the grips and I didnt.

C Bennett

Discussion Starter · #8 · Jan 12, 2010

SIXTO said:
Don't trade the Glock for a Taurus. I'd look for something a little more equal.

well as far as cost goes they are about equal..around $375 and I can sell the Glock for $375 ive tried for 2 years, no takers...and thats about what the Taurus is brand new give or take. The reliability factor was the only thing i worry about..I also have had a Taurus PT99 that ran 100% never a problem and I have currently a Taurus CH85 that I also CC and its also 100%.

HK Dan

· #9 · Jan 12, 2010

If you have aTaurus autos that run reliably, you aren't pushing them very hard. I have yet to see one survive a full season of USPSA, and my personal experience with them has been horrible. My old PT945 was EASILY the worst gun I've ever fired, and that includes Hi-Point and Jiminez (ewwww).

Trade a GLOCK for a Taurus? No brainer. "Just say No".

Dan

jwhite75

· #10 · Jan 12, 2010

No way...a Used Glock for a New Taurus is like a Used Mercedes for a New Geo Metro.

C Bennett

Discussion Starter · #11 · Jan 12, 2010

HK Dan said:
If you have aTaurus autos that run reliably, you aren't pushing them very hard. I have yet to see one survive a full season of USPSA, and my personal experience with them has been horrible. My old PT945 was EASILY the worst gun I've ever fired, and that includes Hi-Point and Jiminez (ewwww).

Trade a GLOCK for a Taurus? No brainer. "Just say No".

Dan

believe me ive been trying to trade it for basically anything else and its just not happened unfortunately. I made the Glock mistake and I regret it I wont get another. But since I do have this one ive been debating keep or trade. and the PT 99 had around 3000 rounds through it without a single failure I trust it as much as any gun ever made(i traded it long ago for a Colt Mustang II for CC) but ive not owned a Taurus semi auto since then only the revolver .

C Bennett

Discussion Starter · #12 · Jan 12, 2010

jwhite75 said:
No way...a Used Glock for a New Taurus is like a Used Mercedes for a New Geo Metro.

im getting that impression...only thing I cant figure out is why is it so hard to trade or sell a used Glock?? I mean around here and on the sites im on its listed at what I consider a reasonable price and almost 2 years no trades or sale..just cant seem to get rid of it for anything decent..guess thats part of what irritates me. I guess I COULD do the next best thing and fix what Glock screwed up and get a grip job done on it...keep it for CC for when I wear heavier clothes and then get a Taurus 709 for the summer...I just kick myself for getting the Glock over the Steyr in the first place...but leave it to me to make the wrong decision or have bad luck...thats my MO

swmp9jrm

· #13 · Jan 12, 2010

The Glock is certainly a good gun, but you apparently decided a long time ago that you wanted to get rid of it. I've got a PT-709 that has more than a thousand rounds through it. It is my carry gun and I practice with it regularly - I am certain it is as reliable as any of my other guns. For me, it is pocketable with loose jeans, but I usually have it in a SmartCarry holster. The gun is deadly accurate, easy to shoot, and the felt recoil is very reasonable. I've put more than a dozen types of FMJ and JHP through it with no issues to speak of. There are reports of some 709s with extractor issues, but a good portion of the problem guns have been sent back to Taurus and have been fixed. The gun needs to be kept clean, particularly in the firing mechanism. I paid $385 for my SS 709. If you plan to carry it, I would suggest getting the stainless rather than the blued version - some have reported that the Taurus bluing has some durability problems.

If you've made up your mind (and it sounds like you did this a long time ago) to get rid of the Glock, IMHO you should seriously consider buying the 709.

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NavDoc

· #14 · Jan 12, 2010

Stick with the Glock. Maybe try a rubber grip sleve such as a Pachmyr(sp?). It helps my hands quite a bit.

REVMAN

· #15 · Jan 12, 2010

As I've stated on other threads.....I love my 709 and have had NO problems. I shoot with two other guys that shoot a 709 and again, NO problems....NONE. I can't speak for what others have had with Taurus, but I sure can't say anything bad and continue to trust them.

It's pretty much like a Harley and a Honda. I've always rode a Honda and that person likes a Harley. In his eyes there is no other bike, but in mine give me a Honda.

C Bennett

Discussion Starter · #16 · Jan 12, 2010

swmp9jrm said:
The Glock is certainly a good gun, but you apparently decided a long time ago that you wanted to get rid of it. I've got a PT-709 that has more than a thousand rounds through it. It is my carry gun and I practice with it regularly - I am certain it is as reliable as any of my other guns. For me, it is pocketable with loose jeans, but I usually have it in a SmartCarry holster. The gun is deadly accurate, easy to shoot, and the felt recoil is very reasonable. I've put more than a dozen types of FMJ and JHP through it with no issues to speak of. There are reports of some 709s with extractor issues, but a good portion of the problem guns have been sent back to Taurus and have been fixed. The gun needs to be kept clean, particularly in the firing mechanism. I paid $385 for my SS 709. If you plan to carry it, I would suggest getting the stainless rather than the blued version - some have reported that the Taurus bluing has some durability problems.

If you've made up your mind (and it sounds like you did this a long time ago) to get rid of the Glock, IMHO you should seriously consider buying the 709.

Yes Glock made me make up my mind because of their poor grips

. I figured that id get used to it I didnt they just are not right for my hands too big and thick. With a different grip they would be the ultimate CC weapon(for me) but with the current grip they are horrible..it needs to be narrower and thinner with a better grip angle. So yes when I knew a couple years ago that Glock+my hands didnt work ive been off and on trying to sell or trade it..its not a quality or reliability issue its a poor grip issue.

I actually did the "right" thing and shot it before I bought it...id never shot a Glock or the .40 S&W before so I wanted to see what I was getting into so the shop that I got it from also has a indoor range so the owner said if I was serious about it I could run a box through the gun prior to buying it. I did and liked the .40 just fine...but I didnt love the grip it just didnt seem right coming from using either Beretta 92/m4 or 1911's which both feel fine in my hands. I just told myself because it was a good price and Id always wanted a Glock that id get used to the grip..just never did and now even after hundreds nearing probably thousand rounds I still have to adjust my grip on the Glock 23 because it just "naturaly" does not fit my hand right my top thumb knuckle ends up under the small beavertail instead of along the side and when it recoils with the thumb knuckle under that part it beats the heck out of that knuckle and I end up having to adjust the gun to get it so its along side rather than under the small beavertail. Glocks are one of the only guns I have this problem with the other being the Ruger P series which also have big fat grips...I can actually shoot both great and im sure with adrenalin pumping that id not even notice so I know for a CC its not really a problem..its only really a problem when taking it to the range and shooting...I will probably just end up keeping the Glock and use it for part time CC duty till I can get a slimmer and better CC weapon like a HKP7 or a Walther PPS or some such. Thanks for the replies though guys I guess I will just keep the Glock even if I dont CC it much.

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C Bennett

Discussion Starter · #17 · Jan 12, 2010

NavDoc said:
Stick with the Glock. Maybe try a rubber grip sleve such as a Pachmyr(sp?). It helps my hands quite a bit.

I dont need it even thicker I need it narrower(front to back and width wise) so a grip reduction would probably work..just gotta decide if I want to dump another $150 into the gun.

BugDude

· #18 · Jan 13, 2010

Dude, I'm in the market for a Glock 23. What a coincidence. I also own a Taurus PT709. What a coincidence (except I'm keeping my 709). I've run 500 rounds through it flawlessly. It is my EDC as my experience has been great. Clean and lube the 709 new, run 200 rounds of FMJ (not winchester white box) for break in, and then clean every 200 rounds. The 709 is not a "range gun", but a great pocket or IWB CCW and the recoil is managable. If I'm going to the range to melt over 100 rounds of 9mm at a time, I take my Ruger P95. I practice enough with the 709 to be comfortable and proficient with it.

PM me if you're interested in making a deal on your G23.

sddykstr

· #19 · Jan 13, 2010

jwhite75 said:
No way...a Used Glock for a New Taurus is like a Used Mercedes for a New Geo Metro.

Truer words have not been spoken. I know and regret from experience with Taurus. Keep the glock.

BugDude

· #20 · Jan 13, 2010

Sell the Glock to your new buddy BugDude on Defensive Carry and give him a deal on it. You never liked it anyway and he's looking for one. He's trying to help a brother out.

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