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I'm at the early stages of investigation of my next firearm purchase. I'm narrowed down to 2. They are not the same caliber, and are apples and oranges in size. I carry compact and full size firearms, so size isn't a factor for me. My choices are the Glock 20 Gen 4 ( 10mm). And Springfield XD-S in .45. I have fired both and am very impressed equally. Ballisticly we all know the power of the 45, but in my research I've come to find the 10mm more devastating. I am a reloader who currently loads 45, 9, 223, and 12 gauge. To me having another caliber to load is icing on the cake. Not to mention 10mm is not quite as popular as the 45. I still have at least a few months before I make my purchase. I'm looking for honest opinions. Not looking to start a brand war. Just some fun informative bantor. Thanks much!!
 

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I Have reloaded thousands & thousands of .45 acp's over the years for good reason, .45 acp's are easy to reload.
The .45 acp is a fairly low pressure round so that means the case doesen't stretch much if at all so brass lasts & lasts and .45 brass is easy to find as are the cheaper hardcast lead bullets. Easy to reload and hoot to shoot the .45 acp has a bunch going for it.

I have never owned nor reloaded for the 10mm. I know the operating pressure is much higher than .45 so I would assume the case would need to be trimmed from time to time & the case life would be shorter. 10 mm just isen't all that common and it would be doubtful one would ever find any great bargins buying 10 mm brass.

However the ballistics of the 10 mm are just outstanding! Lots of horsepower and in a portable easy to carry package. The caliber is big enough to hunt deer with and it would give me great comfort packing one in the backcountry.
I love bigbore revolvers in that role,but something about carrying a .41 magnum equivalnt handgun in a 1911 platform that shoots eight times before a reload is very appealing to me!

Both great rounds, good luck in your decision!
 

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Well your on the right path, you have handled both and shot both of them. Think back to when shooting them.........which one felt more like a normal extension of yourself? That is the one to go with. They both make great guns but I would tend to lean towards the Glock if it were me but it's not. Get what you like best.
 

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What is you plan for the new gun? Yes, 10mm is a great round and much more powerful than a 45acp, even more power than a 357 magnum. However, in my opinion as one who was shooting and handloading the 10mm before it became "cool", it is my opinion that for the purposes of SD , the 45ACP will give you all you want, and for that matter, so will the 40 or 9mm.

Now, if you plan on hunting, then its a valid,as a matter of fact...the only logical choice for you. Also its a good round for hiking where Black bears or wild hogs may be a concern, properly loaded of course.
Its really a niche caliber, but in the G29 it can be as easily concealed as the G30, and is definitely hell on wheels loaded with a 135-155 weight bullet.

Now, as far as the XD guns, I cant stand the way they look. I have always thought they looked like a cartoon gun. Moreover, the bore axis is higher than that of the Glock, which makes it feel strange and top heavy, giving it more felt muzzle flip. But this is my opinion, and others like the design and ergos.
 

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It is good you reload due to many/most of the current 10mm loadings being at or closer to .40 S&W levels than the original 10mm Norma and the boutique "hot rods" are expensive and not commonly found in LGS's. I've owned a G29 and didn't like the shortened grip frame, if I had gotten a G20 I would likely have it still. I fed my G29 a diet of only hotter 10 Millie rounds and I found it excellent as a woods gun.

To compare apples to apples though I own a SA Service .40 and a G23; I prefer the GLOCK for carry. It is only slightly lighter/more compact, but balances and carries much better IWB. Quality is apparent in both platforms, both of my examples are equally reliable, well built, with extra parts/holster availability going to GLOCK.
 

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I have an XDS .45 (I know not an XD model) and a Glock 20sf.

I love both, but I bought them each for different applications.

The XDS is my EDC and the Glock 20sf (complete with Buffalo Bore Hard Cast 220gr) is my "Woods" gun for the occasions I have to head to remote mountain top cell site locations. I'm currently on the hunt for a Glock 29 Gen 4 as a possible alternate CCW gun for the times I feel like carrying something different than the XDS.

I guess it all boils down to what you plan on using the purchase for?
 

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There's a very good chance my next gun will be the XDs .45 If you're wondering about brand distinction, I'd say just go and shoot both of them. Personally, I like how the XD shoots a bit better than I like the Glocks. However, I wouldn't trade my G23 for the world, and I shot the G35 the other day and am now wondering if I shouldn't buy that instead of XDs .45 because I had about an inch and a half grouping at 15 yards with 5 shots (I know many of you probably shoot better than that, but I was pretty dang happy!) So in short, you probably can't go wrong.

I guess the real question is, do you want a reason to reload a different caliber? If so, go for the 10mm. If not, go for the .45.

The only other thing for me is that I EDC my XDSC, and I like having the grip safety on it. This way, when I re-holster, I re-grip so that I'm not pressing on the grip safety and then have a ND when my shirt, pants, or something else catches the trigger. But that's more of a rookie thing for me, I think.
 

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Well, normally I would say go with the XDs because the Glock 20 is a really big gun and 10mm ammo is expensive and hard to come by in loadings that make it worth it. Because you already have guns to carry, and you reload I am going to say go for the Glock. 10mm is really a fun round and the Glock 20 is by far the best platform for it. I got out of 10mm years ago because I stopped reloading, but I do miss it sometimes. A 135 grain JHP at about 1350 FPS is fairly soft shooting but still knocks down plates like it means it.
 

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That's a tough choice. I had to make it too. I ultimately went with the Glock due to the service history and easier concealability. The XD was just too chunky for me. Shame because it's really a pleasure to shoot and hold the SA.
 

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Springfield Armory XD pistols = trigger and grip safety. And they're very accurate. Win.
The grip safety is one more mechanical feature that quite frankly, I don't want or need and is one more thing that has the possibility of malfunctioning. I love how well the XD's feel in my hand but for whatever reason, I shoot Glocks better. So for me, Glock would be the choice here.
 

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I owned an XDM 4.5 40 for a couple years. I've also shot several others.

I ended up selling it for a Glock for these reasons...

Triggers- To me they are mushy and sloppy. Lots of take up and a very long reset. Then good luck affording an upgrade! That's about $150 venture.

Sights- XDM sights are milled. Good luck trying to install a sight upgrade yourself.

No compensated models!

So I now own a Glock 23C!

In God and Glock we Trust
 

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I'm at the early stages of investigation of my next firearm purchase. I'm narrowed down to 2. They are not the same caliber, and are apples and oranges in size. I carry compact and full size firearms, so size isn't a factor for me. My choices are the Glock 20 Gen 4 ( 10mm). And Springfield XD-S in .45. I have fired both and am very impressed equally. Ballisticly we all know the power of the 45, but in my research I've come to find the 10mm more devastating. I am a reloader who currently loads 45, 9, 223, and 12 gauge. To me having another caliber to load is icing on the cake. Not to mention 10mm is not quite as popular as the 45. I still have at least a few months before I make my purchase. I'm looking for honest opinions. Not looking to start a brand war. Just some fun informative bantor. Thanks much!!
I have an XDs .45. I bought it for summer carry. I wanted something with more thump than the P238 for when I can't hide my G19 or 26. The XDs fits in a pocket, just, and not all pockets - but it fits in the jeans I wear the most in the summer. (I'm retired.) It's a newer gun design than I usually buy, but so far it's been flawless.

Other than as a curio, the caliber for the man who has everything and more money than he knows what to do with, the 10mm strikes me as the wrong cartridge for a defense gun. I have never seen anyone, including an IDPA master class shooter, who could shoot it nearly as well as either a 9 or a .45. The load has been scaled down and the FBI stopped using it for a reason - very few of their agents could shoot it well. It may have fantastic numbers, but it sucks for most people to shoot - not a good thing in a gun fight. I shot a Glock 10mm with full up original spec loads exactly once. That was enough for me. I shoot the XDs .45 much better. The pushy low pressure .45 recoil is much more friendly than the high pressure mule kick from the 10mm.

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Fitch, I hear and respect your opinion. But it's hard for me to think that anyone with any shooting experience with any magnum handgun would find a Glock 10mm anything but pleasent to shoot.

Maybe it's just me, and I realize that recoil is a subjective thing; but I have found the Glock to be very easy to shoot, even with one hand. The wider frame of the big Glock and polymer frame soak up and disputes the recoil impulses in such a way that it feels no different than a 40 in the smaller frames.

Bit of course, I realize opinions vary, and there is no right or wrong with respect to opinions, I just thought I'd add my take on it.
 

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I have owned and carried a Glock G20 since 1992 for self-defense. I typically carry Winchester 175 grain Silvertips which are the closest to original specification 10mm rounds made by a large commercial manufacturer. Buffalo Bore, Underwood, and Double Tap make some full power loads. I find the 10mm to be very easy to shoot well. The power level runs from mid-level .357 magnum to low end .41 magnum. It is really a .40 magnum that averages around 650 to 700 ft./lbs. of muzzle energy.

I shoot my .44 magnum revolvers that average 1,000 ft./lbs of muzzle energy and my Desert Eagle 50 AE at 1,600 ft./lbs. of muzzle energy. My S&W 460XVR with 300 grain Buffalo Bore ammo is over 2,800 ft./lbs. of muzzle energy, which is also the average muzzle energy of a .308 rifle. Shooting and controlling the 10mm is a piece of cake.

If the 10mm is too much for self-defense, then the .357 magnum revolvers and the .357 Sig semi-autos are too much for self-defense. The 10mm and .357 Sig are just trying to mimic the power of a .357 magnum revolver in a semi-auto pistol for law enforcement and self-defense. My petite wife carries, shoots, and qualifies with a .357 magnum revolver. The .357 magnum is still rated as the best one shot threat stopper.

My other handgun with fifteen plus one capacity is my new FNH FNX-45. I am liking it more and more as I shoot it. I ignore the decocker and carry it in condition one like my 1911 carry guns. If FNH made a 10mm in the FNX series, I would be tempted to sell my Glock G20 SF and buy the FNH.
 

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Fitch, I hear and respect your opinion. But it's hard for me to think that anyone with any shooting experience with any magnum handgun would find a Glock 10mm anything but pleasent to shoot.

Maybe it's just me, and I realize that recoil is a subjective thing; but I have found the Glock to be very easy to shoot, even with one hand. The wider frame of the big Glock and polymer frame soak up and disputes the recoil impulses in such a way that it feels no different than a 40 in the smaller frames.

Bit of course, I realize opinions vary, and there is no right or wrong with respect to opinions, I just thought I'd add my take on it.
I hear you.

You are one of few people who shoot the full up Glock 10mm well. I'm jealous truth be told because I'd love to be able to handle that cartridge like I do a 9 or .45.

But, because all handgun ammo pretty much sucks (people have survived even multiple hits with every handgun caliber including .44 magnum), there is more than the first hit, or small groups to a gunfight. I've never been in one, but I have shot in IDPA competition (and if that's as close as I get, I'm definitely good with that!) and find there is a big difference, huge, between how I land the second shot with a 9mm (G19 or 26), .40 (G23), and .45 (SIG C3). Oddly, I do best with the G26, second best (but barely) with the G19, a more distant third best with the C3, and awful with the .40 (Glock 23). I've not fired a real 10mm in competition and probably won't get the chance.

The G26 seems to have been designed for someone with the exact same dynamics of grip, hands, and arms as me. It double taps repeatedly with 1" to 1-1/2" shot pairs if I pull the trigger as fast as I can (~1/4 second splits). If the first shot is in COM, the second will be too. I like shooting it best with the Pearce +0 grip extension, but I shoot it almost as well (though not as well as I shoot the 19) with out the extension. That's why I carry the 26 with the +0 extension every time I can hide it.

I can handle recoil in the sense that I can shoot small groups with some thumping revolver loads. I have a 5-1/2" Ruger BlackHawk that I load up with 255g HardCast LSWC at just under 1200 fps - that's some serious thump. I like shooting a .357 magnum with 158g bullets and a full charge of W296. My favorite .357 was the 4" GP100 I gave my youngest daughter. (I really need to replace that but not in this market.) I also like my wife's 6" 686. I only shoot full house magnum loads in them. I love the kaboom, fire and smoke, can handle the recoil just fine and shoot small groups with them, but double taps are a mess with the .357 (and impossible with the BlackHawk) - the first shot hits the target, the second one can be pretty much anywhere.

The 10mm has better numbers than the 9mm, best of any practical handgun cartridge, no doubt about it, so does the .40. With today's defense ammo, the low pressure .45 is a little, but not a lot, better in terms of numbers than the +P 9mm, though it does make a bigger hole.

Bottom line, the 10mm is a great cartridge, just not for me, or I suspect for most people.

But it works for you, and that's totally cool. I wish either it or the .40 worked for me.

Meanwhile, I made up some 9mm and .45ACP red-neck jelly beans. (Gotta like a 550B.)





And as soon as the rain stops and the mud dries out a bit, I'm going to go feed my 17, 19, 26, XDs, and C3. Probably the FNX45T as well, except it's so fun to shoot I burn way too much ammo when I take it out - oh heck, I'll shoot them all. If I have time, I'll mow the lawn too, but it's not first on the list. I shot my first ground hog of 2013 yesterday. One clean cold bore shot with the CZ527 .22 Hornet (shooting 34g Midway DogTown HP), one dead ground hog. Dropped him right in his shadow. OSOK, lights out. No tail salute. He didn't even twitch. Only 70 yards, but it was standing off hand, which should count for something.

Know what? I think mowing just moved to no better than third on this country boy's list. : )

Fitch
 
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