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You assume that all cop killers are targeting the cops. Some just don't want to go down and they fight against the prospect of losing their liberty, etc.

I didn't miss the boat. I understand aggravating factors. I just don't believe killing a cop in the commission of a crime should net a harsher penalty than killing anyone else in the commission of a crime.. Have all the aggravating factors in the world, so long as it applies the same for cops and everyone else...save for kids. Kids I am okay with because their status is their age not their profession, etc.

How often are salesmen at Lowes targeted for murder based upon their employment?

As far as aggravating factors you are totally missing the boat.

https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/first-degree-murder-penalties-and-sentencing.html

Love it or hate it, it is the law. While this is not a specific state statute, the language is similar.
 

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You assume that all cop killers are targeting the cops. Some just don't want to go down and they fight against the prospect of losing their liberty, etc.

I didn't miss the boat. I understand aggravating factors. I just don't believe killing a cop in the commission of a crime should net a harsher penalty than killing anyone else in the commission of a crime.. Have all the aggravating factors in the world, so long as it applies the same for cops and everyone else...save for kids. Kids I am okay with because their status is their age not their profession, etc.
They do... That is the point I have been trying to make. I get it you have no respect for cops.
 

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They do... That is the point I have been trying to make. I get it you have no respect for cops.
I respect cops. I do not currently hold an appointment as an LEO here in Colorado but did hold one prior to moving here. It has nothing to do with respect. Respect is earned by the person, not the profession.
 

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I respect cops. I do not currently hold an appointment as an LEO here in Colorado but did hold one prior to moving here. It has nothing to do with respect. Respect is earned by the person, not the profession.
there is a concept, benefit of the doubt. If our society continues to attack those whose calling is serving their community 2 things will happen, they will cease to place themselves in risk or they will find employment elsewhere. We are already seeing the results in places like Chicago and Philly.

Nit pick it all you want but this warfare against cops needs to end or you will not like what happens next.
 

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there is a concept, benefit of the doubt. If our society continues to attack those whose calling is serving their community 2 things will happen, they will cease to place themselves in risk or they will find employment elsewhere. We are already seeing the results in places like Chicago and Philly.

Nit pick it all you want but this warfare against cops needs to end or you will not like what happens next.
This ins't warfare against cops. This is a simple concept that we all get treated the same. I'm not too worried about the doomsday prognosticators. If I were, I'd seek an appointment here in Colorado.
 

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Between our socialist governor and socialist big city mayors, many law enforcement agencies are currently under-staffed. Portland has over 100 unfilled openings and growing. The politician's answer is to quit sending the police to calls that may be a mental crisis. They send a mental health team instead.
 

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So, you do not believe that someone who kidnaps, rapes and murders someone to be more deserving of punishment than someone who kills someone in a drunken brawl? Do you think murdering a child is more serious than murdering an adult?

That is what aggravating factors are.
You completely miss the point here. Nobody is saying people who do different things should be punished the same. All we are saying is, if two criminals each kidnap, rape, and murder someone, that the punishment be the same, instead of one person receiving a different punishment than the other because the government has determined that one person was special and their life was a greater loss.
 

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Between our socialist governor and socialist big city mayors, many law enforcement agencies are currently under-staffed. Portland has over 100 unfilled openings and growing. The politician's answer is to quit sending the police to calls that may be a mental crisis. They send a mental health team instead.
I bet that gets "interesting" at times!
 

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You completely miss the point here. Nobody is saying people who do different things should be punished the same. All we are saying is, if two criminals each kidnap, rape, and murder someone, that the punishment be the same, instead of one person receiving a different punishment than the other because the government has determined that one person was special and their life was a greater loss.
I agree with that.
 

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This ins't warfare against cops. This is a simple concept that we all get treated the same. I'm not too worried about the doomsday prognosticators. If I were, I'd seek an appointment here in Colorado.
It certainly is. I was in LE in 1982, right after I got out of the Army. I have rode the tide, good and bad. This Liberal law change in Oregon is just the latest straw, not the last. States are releasing thousands of criminals back onto the streets. When groups of thugs come around, who you gonna call? Like I said before, nobody wants your worship, this whole "thank you for your service" annoys the crap out of me, I did did serve for gratitude from the masses. The role of the police in society is to protect the society. In so doing they cannot protect everyone, all the time; though they try. When someone targets the protectors of a society it should be treated differently. Otherwise, before long you are going to run out of protectors because as people learn they are going to stop being sacrificial lambs to the slaughter of a society.

It is much more than a simple " I don't want him treated any differently". I want cop killers treated differently, not the cops. You obviously have little experience with the criminal justice system, though you claim to have been LEO in the past. Without mandatory sentencing guidelines, there is NO continuity in sentencing. What none of us want to see is probation for murder, I put forcible rape right there with murder as it destroys a life, frequently causing a lifetime of suffering and many commit suicide.

Doomsday prognosticators...........You think I have lost my mind? No Sir, I speak from watching trends. One of the things I did in my long career was intelligence-watching trends, predicting future events based on past and current indicators. An astute person can actually find news reports, not that they are great sources of extremely accurate information, they do have sources of information. You can champion these law changes from the steps of the capitol building for all I care, but beware the consequences. I am done with this thread nobody is changing any minds. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, its a duck.

You claim you did not miss the boat from the dock. You do not even see the real issue.

https://nypost.com/2017/05/07/fbi-confirms-the-deadly-costs-of-a-war-on-cops/

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/12/escalating-war-police/

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/retired-cop-the-war-against-police-is-very-real-heres-how-it-got-started/
 

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If you don't protect the first line of defense, how are you going to protect everyone else? I personally think anyone convicted of capital crimes should have one year for appeals and then be hanged in public. No exceptions.
 

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If you don't protect the first line of defense, how are you going to protect everyone else? I personally think anyone convicted of capital crimes should have one year for appeals and then be hanged in public. No exceptions.
You do the former by the latter. Protect the first line by giving everyone the same punishment.
 

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If you don't protect the first line of defense, how are you going to protect everyone else? I personally think anyone convicted of capital crimes should have one year for appeals and then be hanged in public. No exceptions.
You do the former by the latter. Protect the first line by giving everyone the same punishment.

I agree with you in principle. We know that giving swift and universal punishment is never going to be implemented, so we should protect the first line as much as possible.

We are seeing law enforcement agencies in Oregon with huge deficits in officers due to the politics of socialism. Many of the smaller counties in Oregon only have law enforcement on duty during the day shift. Someone has to be called out on the evening and night shifts, but only for major crimes. You couldn't pay me enough to be a law enforcement officer in today's society. You also couldn't pay me enough to be a public school teacher in today's society.
 
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I agree with you in principle. We know that giving swift and universal punishment is never going to be implemented, so we should protect the first line as much as possible.

We are seeing law enforcement agencies in Oregon with huge deficits in officers due to the politics of socialism. Many of the smaller counties in Oregon only have law enforcement on duty during the day shift. Someone has to be called out on the evening and night shifts, but only for major crimes. You couldn't pay me enough to be a law enforcement officer in today's society. You also couldn't pay me enough to be a public school teacher in today's society.
I agree our priorities are skewed out of whack and that many professions are under valued and under paid. The issues you speak of are another discussion entirely.
 

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If you don't protect the first line of defense, how are you going to protect everyone else? I personally think anyone convicted of capital crimes should have one year for appeals and then be hanged in public. No exceptions.
I agree our priorities are skewed out of whack and that many professions are under valued and under paid. The issues you speak of are another discussion entirely.

It all comes back to the same issues. There is no respect for authority, no respect for being responsible, no respect for hard work, and no respect for doing the right thing. That swirling noise you hear is us going down the toilet.
 

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If you don't protect the first line of defense, how are you going to protect everyone else? I personally think anyone convicted of capital crimes should have one year for appeals and then be hanged in public. No exceptions.
^^^ This I can get behind... I have many friends and family that are blue; however I do feel ALL our lives deserve equal justice. Get rid of the people causing the serious crimes, it's a very small percentage. They cannot commit the crime again...simple.
 
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All people are equal. And have to be treated equally. Except as wise man on this thread said: those who were drafted to dangerous service, hence didn't have a choice.
I for one consider death penalty appropriate for someone who wilfully took another person's life (not in in a course of defending from that other person).
The government likes a lot to "divide and concur", and uses that a lot by making "laws" treaing people differently. One less trivial example is taxes...
 
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