[QKShooter]

OK...I am just throwing this against the wall to see if it "sticks" or not.
It was one of my momentary flashes of brilliance. :wink:
I was thinking about this the other day. Remember when these jerky people were aiming Green Lasers at airplane pilots in the cockpit?
Following those incidents there was a lot of subsequent TV Talk from Laser Scientist Types that stated that GREEN laser light causes an almost instant & extended period of temporary blindness more than other colors of Laser Light.
They sell these fairly powerful 5mw ??? pen size green lasers. Since they are so "pocket size" do you think having a Green Laser could have possible Self Defense Applications? I am talking about as an Additional Tool. In addition to Firearm, Knife, CS Spray, Asp baton...whatever? The are reported to be BLINDING out to a fairy good distance.
I think that I could imagine some possible potential uses for one...being as they are so lightweight & easily carried but, (then again) I have a good imagination.
Would having the non lethal ability to cause temporary blindness a useful tool for the person "on body" toolbox? :dead:
What say you?
Any/All Comments Welcome.
LINK TO GREEN LASER INFO - CLICK HERE

 

[Fjolnirsson]

Would having the non lethal ability to cause temporary blindness a useful tool for the person "on body" toolbox?

That's one of the reasons I carry my Z2 combatlight with me. Even in daylight, it's blinding. Any advantage I can, I'll take.
On a side note, I'd like to see those green lasers as sighting devices. It'd be a nifty change from the standard red.
Hmm, now that I read the article, I change my mind. Don't want folks tracing the beam back to my hiding spot, in case there's more than one bad guy.

 

[Bumper]

You might want to do some more research. The miltary and police are already using green lasers for this purpose. I don't remember the particulars, but remember something that looked sort of like a weapon light that through out a multi-threaded, pulsing green laser light that confused and disoriented the target. I wish Prospector was around, I'm sure he has the particulars since he is in defense development end of things. If I'm not mistaken, I saw the demo of the device on The Military Channel a few months ago.

They have also run green lasers for rifles (not sure about handguns) in Sportsman's Guide's catalog but they are pretty pricey....

 

[Bud White]

Green deff looks different but isit as intimadateing as the red to the bad guy ... For years everyone has seen and knows what the red is..


Also when are we gonna see a Real laser gun then we can discuss whats a better stopper Red or Green :starwars: :biggrin:

 

[rstickle]

one of the problems it that usually the green lasers are more expensive that the red. That's because they are a lot more complicated to make. And as has already been mentioned, they are a lot easier to see,[B[and[/B] follow back to their source.

 

[Euclidean]

When I'm patrolling the mall with my G36C I always make sure that I have my trusty dual green laser sights. You never know when assassins are going to swing down from the rafters of the food court.

Of course I can technically be using the new blue lasers that aren't going to be available to the other Special Forces for another 5 years, but I'm a traditionalist.

 

[QKShooter]

Euclidean

Thanks for your addition.
Yep, thinking about it some more. For the few ounces in additional weight I could see the common sense in tucking a pen type green laser in the old pocket.
Sure might come in handy for an angry road rage conflict or multiple mildly~agressive intoxicated goofballs.
Some situations that would not warrant the delivery of a "Toe Tag" where you might just need to remove yourself from a situation without getting a deadly weapon involved.

 

[Euclidean]

QK I think your idea isn't a bad one but I think you're rabbit hunting with a grenade launcher.

For the hundreds if not thousands of dollars a pen sized green laser pointer would cost at this point, why not instead invest in a top of the line Surefire combat light and trick it out with all the goodies? You could get an Aviator or something else equally cool for that kind of fundage.

It's not as James Bond mind you, but it could accomplish the same thing and have multiple uses as well. Heck it can even be a last ditch impact weapon.

The blinding tactic isn't going to make some assailant roll over and give up, it's going to possibly give you just a split second advantage to get in a better position, draw a gun, kick him in the groin, etc.

And besides there's no room on a pen for a gyroscopic stabilizer. Everyone knows green laser performance is best when accompanied by a holo sight and a gyroscopic stabilizer.

 

[P95Carry]

I was thinking, maybe I'll wait a bit until a pale purple or pink one comes along!!

:wink: :biggrin: :biggrin:

 

[QKShooter]

Euclid

"Everyone knows green laser performance is best when accompanied by a holo sight and a gyroscopic stabilizer."
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doggoneit I should have known that. :biggrin:


The ones I was thinking about are only selling for about $50.00 to $75.00
The one shown in my LINK up there is $80.00
Thought it might be worth it at that price.
Oh no...I would not spend huge dollars on one.

 

[Euclidean]

Even then, dang man you can get a pretty sweet combat light in that price range that could effectively accomplish the same thing in most circumstances and be more useful overall.

Then again my C3 cost me about $115 and everyone laughs at me when I tell them that. Then I show them what 105 or so lumens really looks like and they all start asking where they can get one... so maybe the laser idea isn't so far out there.

To be fair I have heard of people using these bright lights against drunks and zonked out druggies to good effect. The super bright light is just too much to bear when your senses or not normal or your pupils are dilated, etc. Read some of the testimonials on Surefire's website sometime. A good light really is a self defense tool

But still, I just don't see what the laser will accomplish that this other piece of more conventional, more traditional gear won't.

 

[RSSZ]

Come on guys, Don't frig with all them lasers,flashlights,saps,night sticks(PR 24's) mace,OC,ASP's. Forget spraying them,hittin' them,shineing a tiny weenie light in their eyes,yelling at them,or trying to stick/cut them with them tiny little boxcutters that you call fightin' knives ------- JUST PULL YOUR WEAPON AND SHOOT THEM---- Don't make this toooooooo hard------ It's not rocket science.---------- P.S Go ahead,I'm ready.

 

[RSSZ]

Hey,Just noticed my new AVATAR thingie. How do ya'll like it ? I did it all by myself. PSSSSST, Thanks P95. You can carry anything that you want to.---------

 

[P95Carry]

Thx RSSZ - I'll strap on the BFR! :biggrin:.

 

[RSSZ]

P95, Try>>> 52.0grs./H4198/Hornady 350gr. round nose outta that BFR ---I DARE YA !!-----THNX AGAIN-------

 

[FortyFive]

RSSZ-the avatar shows up better in ral life posts. Glad you got one, does it have life time maint??? :smile: I like the idea of text within the avatar to say what you standfor or whatnot. :smile:

 

[Euclidean]

Come on guys, Don't frig with all them lasers,flashlights,saps,night sticks(PR 24's) mace,OC,ASP's. Forget spraying them,hittin' them,shineing a tiny weenie light in their eyes,yelling at them,or trying to stick/cut them with them tiny little boxcutters that you call fightin' knives ------- JUST PULL YOUR WEAPON AND SHOOT THEM---- Don't make this toooooooo hard------ It's not rocket science.---------- P.S Go ahead,I'm ready.

RSSZ I gotta agree BUT... I have some of my other survival tools with me 24 hours a day. My firearm is often not immediately accessible. It's not such a bad idea to consider other ways to skin the proverbial cat.

 

[P95Carry]

FortyFive "Lifetime maint' " - haha, well there is yet to be arranged a ''deal'' for steady supplies of Hornady 300 grain .454 casull rounds!! :biggrin:

Try>>> 52.0grs./H4198/Hornady 350gr. round nose outta that BFR ---I DARE YA !!

Hahaha! Sounds ''fruity''!!

Don't ever use 4198 so screwed on that! My cuurent stock loads with 45-70 are, for BFR, 41.5 grains Rel7 shoving a 405 Lasercast. For the Ruger #1 rifle I stoke up a bit - currently using same bullet and with 52 grains 3031 (near compressed charge). Has a sorta ''zing'' to it - but once the 3031 is used I will switch to Rel7 for that - probably about 49 grains.

Tho BFR will take stiff loads there is a sorta optimal point where comfort and accuracy reach a sorta level ground - I think I am close to it.

The BFR round is probably a bit plus on 30,000 pressure but the Ruger #1 is almost certainly gettin' into the top 35,000 area. :smile: :wink:

 

[QKShooter]

GREEN LASER LIGHT ~ Just Found This

Monday, May 09, 2005

Green Laser Pointer Can Cause Eye Damage
EMBARGOED: Hold for release until Monday, May 9 at 3 p.m. CDT
Archives of Ophthalmology

ROCHESTER, Minn. -- Mayo Clinic ophthalmologists have found commercially available Class 3A green laser pointers can cause visible harm to the eye's retina with exposures as short as 60 seconds. The findings will be published in the May issue of Archives of Ophthalmology, http://archopht.ama-assn.org.

Dennis Robertson, M.D., Mayo Clinic ophthalmologist, conducted investigations with a green laser pointer directed to the retina of a patient's eye; the eye was scheduled for removal because of a malignancy. The green laser damaged the pigment layer of the retina, although it did not cause a measurable decrease in the visual function of the patient's eye. Dr. Robertson believes that longer exposures could harm vision, however. He also warns about potential damage from higher-powered green laser pointers.

"With the use of laser pointers that are more powerful than five milliwatts, there would likely be damage to the actual vision," he says. "Functional damage could occur within seconds."

Dr. Robertson does not advocate against use of green laser pointers; rather, he advocates against their misuse. "Green laser pointers are not a public health hazard at this time, but something people should be aware of," he says. "I'm raising concerns that people should be cautious when using green laser pointers not to point them at someone's eye or face. It's like how you use your knife -- carefully."

While pointing out risks of green laser pointers, he adds, "This is a potential hazard to people's eyes, but rarely is it going to be a practical hazard because the aversion reflex we have naturally will cause a person to blink or turn away from a laser light."

Green laser pointers are readily available in stores and on the Internet, according to Dr. Robertson. "Kids can buy these," he says. "They're not strictly regulated."

He adds that Class 3A green laser pointers are increasingly being used by amateur astronomers to pinpoint objects in the night sky and by the construction industry and architecture educators to point out details of structures in daylight.

Dr. Robertson conducted the eye exposure test with a consenting patient two weeks before eye removal due to ring melanoma. The patient's vision was 20/20, and the macular retina appeared healthy. Dr. Robertson exposed the patient's retina to light from a commercially available Class 3A green laser with an average power measured at less than five milliwatts: 60 seconds to the fovea, the center of acute vision; five minutes to a site 5 degrees below the fovea; and 15 minutes to a site 5 degrees above the fovea. Dr. Robertson had color photographs taken of the eye before and after exposure to the laser.

Dr. Robertson examined the patient's eye 24 hours after laser exposure. He found retinal damage characterized by yellowish discoloration involving the pigment layer beneath the fovea and at the site of the 15-minute exposure above the fovea. Each of these sites developed a grainy texture within six days. Study of the eye tissue under a microscope also confirmed damage to the pigment layer in the laser-exposed regions.

Dr. Robertson has been interested in the effects of lights on the human eye during his career, testing operating room microscopes, lights used in the clinic, red laser pointers and now green laser pointers.

Previously, he determined red laser pointers to be quite safe. "I tested different powers up to five milliwatts and could not create recognizable damage in the human eye with the red laser pointers," he explains. "So, at least a transient exposure to red laser pointers' light is only of trivial concern."

Dr. Robertson attributes the risk differential between red and green lasers to wavelength. "We know that the retina is infinitely more sensitive to shorter wavelengths," he says. "The green lasers appear much brighter to the human eye because of the shorter wavelength and can cause damage."

Dr. Robertson says Mayo Clinic's investigations have clearly demonstrated that green laser pointers can cause irreversible damage to the pigment layer of the retina.

 

[RSSZ]

Euc, 10-4 your above post. You fine gentlemen can carry anything that you want. I wuz gust tryin' to get a rise in your heart rate.-------- I think that the green lasers that are being discussed is the ARGON LASER vs. the RUBY LASER(RED)---------