[alelks]

Interesting situation. I think the gun owner handled it well.

LiveLeak.com - Gun Bearer Has Pointed Discussion With Police Officer Outside NC Abortion Clinic

 

[digitalexplr]

Insert yourself into a situation the police are working on, which a open weapon on, expect to get challenged. The guy who did this video is a moron.

 

[alelks]

Insert yourself into a situation the police are working on, which a open weapon on, expect to get challenged. The guy who did this video is a moron.

A moron I agree, but he was within his rights and did respond correctly.

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/111191

 

[BuckeyeEric]

I think the cop was the moron! Sure, the LEO gets a call and arrives on the scene and finds everyone assembling and/or carrying within their legal rights. Why does the LEO feel like he needs to do something?

 

[unloved]

Legal behavior and standing up for oneself makes one a moron?

 

[alelks]

He quite honestly was asking for trouble. Yea it's legal but myself I would not have gone anywhere near an abortion clinic to protest while openly carrying a weapon.

Sort of like if someone were to put on a KKK outfit and walk into an area of Harlem. Yea it's legal but not too smart!

So to me that makes him a moron. Now if people want to go places like that and draw attention to themselves have at it.

"Here's your sign!"

 

[TX-JB]

In Texas, failure to provide ID to an LEO, when requested, is a misdemeanor. If it was because he saw you printing and you acted like that you'd be in jail, especially if it was at a protest. No OC in Texas.

I don't know about NC, but OC'ing at a protest would seem like enough probable cause to ask for ID to verify the person is carrying within the law. Protests tend to become emotional and sometimes violent.

This is one reason I don't really like OC.

 

[TravisABQ]

Looks like the cop realized he was about to step in a Constitutional booby trap.

When you realize that no law or "disturbing the peace" is taking place, MOVE ON.

 

[JD]

OK, so the cops show up to address some yahoos at an abortion clinic, your standing around, NOT as a protester, whip out your phone and go start taking video of the police???

From the guy filming this:

I was standing on the corner of the street where an abortion clinic is "peaceably assembling" (NOT protesting). Two GPOs came up and were harassing one of the other people assembled. I walked up with phone out recording, when they notice I was open carrying (Smith & Wesson M&P .40).

I found out that after I left (I left maybe 45 mins AFTER this video) a detective More.. came looking for me. Next weekend should be interesting

Yeah, he's a moron.

I think the cop was the moron! Sure, the LEO gets a call and arrives on the scene and finds everyone assembling and/or carrying within their legal rights. Why does the LEO feel like he needs to do something?

Why does Joe Schmoe feel he need to go do anything and start taking video?

 

[NC Bullseye]

I wonder what the purpose they had for assembling at an abortion clinic. Anyone know why?

 

[Spec]

The OC guy could have done it better, but the LEO was a donkey.

 

[CenCal]

Interesting video. I don't like anyone "inserting" themselves into a situation where the police are already involved.

That being said, I have a visceral kind of disgust when a police officer reacts in such a manner.

 

[JD]

I wonder what the purpose they had for assembling at an abortion clinic. Anyone know why?

From the sound of it, it wasn't an "OC Event" the guy was just in the area and felt like sticking his nose in it.


Edited to add, apparently this guy might have been with with the crowd "assembling" at the clinic, I still think he's a moron.

 

[TX-JB]

I wonder what the purpose they had for assembling at an abortion clinic. Anyone know why?

They were looking for dates... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

 

[BuckeyeEric]

He quite honestly was asking for trouble. Yea it's legal but myself I would not have gone anywhere near an abortion clinic to protest while openly carrying a weapon.

Sort of like if someone were to put on a KKK outfit and walk into an area of Harlem. Yea it's legal but not too smart!

So to me that makes him a moron. Now if people want to go places like that and draw attention to themselves have at it.

"Here's your sign!"

Every time we OC, we draw attention to ourselves and sometimes ask for trouble. Should we not do it then? If everyone was within their legal right, we should not have to be subject to harassment. The person shooting the video was more then prepared to engage the moron with the badge...but yet you call the video guy the moron. The cop new he was legally "out gunned", thats why he left!

 

[alelks]

Every time we OC, we draw attention to ourselves and sometimes ask for trouble. Should we not do it then? If everyone was within their legal right, we should not have to be subject to harassment. The person shooting the video was more then prepared to engage the moron with the badge...but yet you call the video guy the moron. The cop new he was legally "out gunned", thats why he left!

I disagree. Just because you open carry doesn't mean you are asking for trouble but when you mix open carry with poor judgment then you may be asking for scrutiny or possibly trouble whether it be right or wrong.

By the way he knew what he was doing as he was one of the people peacefully gathering. This is his statement: "Two GPOs came up and were harassing one of the other people assembled."

You're right, the officer got embarrassed but the guy shooting the video is still a moron with poor judgment.

 

[BuckeyeEric]

I disagree. Just because you open carry doesn't mean you are asking for trouble.

I didnt say that...I said "Every time we OC, we draw attention to ourselves and sometimes ask for trouble.

The cop was the moron!

 

[alelks]

I totally understand. I never said we are always asking for trouble. We should NEVER be asking for trouble if we use our heads but this guy was not using his head in my opinion.

 

[Bark'n]

In Texas, failure to provide ID to an LEO, when requested, is a misdemeanor.

Same in Missouri. Not sure about in NC since the LEO did not push the issue.

I don't know if that would constitute a Terry Stop though.

 

[NC Bullseye]

Anytime someone open carries they are acting as a self appointed ambassador for all of the 2A supporters. I've always felt that if you weren't in the mood or have the skills to represent the 2A supporters with a positive attitude and be willing to educate in a professional way then don't open carry. You tend to ruin the chance to put the people that carry in a positive light.

To me the camera jockey missed a chance to educate, enlighten, and maybe even make some head way into how police approach a person exercising their rights. There are more ways to stand for an ideal other than being a finger wagging ass.