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"Gov. Ralph Northam said a package of eight gun control bills will likely be passed in January when both state houses turn blue following the elections this week, adding that his administration is working on a plan to confiscate certain firearms from gun owners."

Demoncrap Governor + Demoncrap House + Demoncrap Senate = IT BEGINS

"Asked if he supports confiscating weapons from gun owners if the law banning them passes, Northam told reporters: “That’s something I’m working [on] with our secretary of public safety.”

While Virginia currently has no laws requiring registration, a Triple Crown allows them to change laws in a hurry, including making the currently retained two years worth of background check consent forms available as at least partial registration information.
 

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Here's the question.. If several heavily armed deputies arrive dressed in tactical with angry scowls demanding your ""illegal"" weapon whatever that is, what do you do??

most of us will simply open the door sheepishly, let them in go through our collection and simply take whatever they are looking for.. Most likely to start, it will be "tactical looking" semis-Ak's AR's, and maybe shotguns with handles, Keltec Carbines, Hi points, and dozens of others because they have handles, and are scary looking, and black.. Then Mini 14's, other conventional semi long guns, because they shoot the same way as AR;s, AK's even though they don't look scary.

Then semi pistols because they can shoot as many rounds as rifles.
then Bolts and levers because they shoot high powered rounds.. Then Revolvers, then single shots.. you get the idea.. WE as a nation voted for this. We demanded it,, Simply getting what we demanded at the ballot box.. Those of us that did NOT vote for it, are simply outnumbered in the modern age.

Its inevitable at this point i am sad to say.. There will be some states that last longer, but the radicals will take over there as well, in time... I am 65 years old. i truly expect to see socialism/communism before i go home.,as well as a total repeal of the 2nd Amendment .. It will come with dancing in the streets, and victory parties throughout the land.. We wanted it as a nation, demanded it, and its on the doorstep.. Virginia going down??.. 10 years ago, on this forum we all would have laughed at the notion... bob
 

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I do not believe that gun confiscation will happen in VA. Northam, the Blackface, has already damaged his own credibility. Many wanted his resignation not because he wore Blackface in college but because the vehemently denied it until conclusive evidence came out. Then he fought off demands for resignation. The Dems have a marginal majority in the VA legislature. Not all of that majority are gun grabbers. Northam is toast, which is a little like Blackface, because he is a hypocrite.
 

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If republicans were this determined to pass pro gun legislation maybe more people would turn out to vote for them.
 

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I remember when I tried to argue that our rights should not be limited by each state and a lot of people didn't like my comments because they lived in states that have more liberal laws. When one state is able to limit our rights then all of the states may follow suit. If we have rights as Americans then our rights should be protected by the federal government and be not doled out as each state sees fit. You can quote the second amendment all you want to but I will never feel like we have the RIGHT to bear arms as long as it is limited according to the laws of each state. Our rights should never be conditional.
 

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Here's the question.. If several heavily armed deputies arrive dressed in tactical with angry scowls demanding your ""illegal"" weapon whatever that is, what do you do??

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They're not doing that. They watch the residence (or whatever location), and when it's empty, they go in and collect weapons. Or they arrest you away from home in public, and then go get the guns - the 'Randy Weaver' tactic. You won't have a chance to resist.
 

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...They watch the residence (or whatever location), and when it's empty...they arrest you away from home in public..the 'Randy Weaver' tactic...[emphasis added]
"The Randy Weaver tactic" was actually exactly the opposite. And that's very important.
While law enforcement could have arrested Weaver while he was running an errand in the nearby town, that's exactly the opposite of what they actually did.

Instead, they snuck up on his cabin and surrounded it while everybody was at home, inside. They set a sniper up, with a clear shot at the cabin's front door.
Then they waited for a while.
Finally, the Weaver's dog got a whiff of them, and began barking. So they shot the dog.
Then, when Weaver's 'teenage son came out to see about the dog and the gunshot, the sniper shot him. That same bullet also killed Weaver's wife, while she was standing in the doorway, holding her youngest child.
The standoff which resulted finally ended, after a lot of shooting, with Randy Weaver surrendering.

At trial, Weaver was found not guilty.
The sniper, also, was tried for having killed Weaver's wife. He, too, was judged not guilty!

Randy Weaver was a bigot who believed in "White supremacy." Not a nice person.
But he had committed a crime only as the result of entrapment by a government agent.
Entrapment is an illegal tactic, which was why Weaver was judged not guilty.
And the government had caused his (innocent) wife to die.

Bigotry may be despicable, but it is not a crime.
The government was as wrong about Weaver as it was in Waco.
 

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"The Randy Weaver tactic" was actually exactly the opposite. And that's very important.
While law enforcement could have arrested Weaver while he was running an errand in the nearby town, that's exactly the opposite of what they actually did.

Instead, they snuck up on his cabin and surrounded it while everybody was at home, inside. They set a sniper up, with a clear shot at the cabin's front door.
Then they waited for a while.
Finally, the Weaver's dog got a whiff of them, and began barking. So they shot the dog.
Then, when Weaver's 'teenage son came out to see about the dog and the gunshot, the sniper shot him. That same bullet also killed Weaver's wife, while she was standing in the doorway, holding her youngest child.
The standoff which resulted finally ended, after a lot of shooting, with Randy Weaver surrendering.

At trial, Weaver was found not guilty.
The sniper, also, was tried for having killed Weaver's wife. He, too, was judged not guilty!

Randy Weaver was a bigot who believed in "White supremacy." Not a nice person.
But he had committed a crime only as the result of entrapment by a government agent.
Entrapment is an illegal tactic, which was why Weaver was judged not guilty.
And the government had caused his (innocent) wife to die.

Bigotry may be despicable, but it is not a crime.
The government was as wrong about Weaver as it was in Waco.
To the gun-hating, "progressive" left, we all look like Randy Weaver.
 

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I do not believe that gun confiscation will happen in VA. Northam, the Blackface, has already damaged his own credibility. Many wanted his resignation not because he wore Blackface in college but because the vehemently denied it until conclusive evidence came out. Then he fought off demands for resignation. The Dems have a marginal majority in the VA legislature. Not all of that majority are gun grabbers. Northam is toast, which is a little like Blackface, because he is a hypocrite.
Northam has nothing to lose. VA governors have a one term limit. He can't run for US Senate. Our two slots are filled and probably won't be vacated any time soon. His goal now is to court favor with Bloomberg for some sort of job in the next Dem administration in Washington. The blackface thing has died down.

The Dems may only have a small majority, but they now control the committees. Than means these votes will go to the floor. There may be some Dems that would vote against confiscation, but we have had a few RINOs vote with the Dems in the past on guns.

I would never say, "It can't happen here." And it will be a test case for any other state who would like to do it.
 

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Yea welcome to Ole Virginia where we have a RACIST, governor, and a SEXUAL ABUSER as a Lt. governor, and as the State Police act as the gov's personal little army. they will come up with a way to do it, my Uncles who where true Troopers in every sense of the tilte are turning in their graves
 

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Northam has nothing to lose. VA governors have a one term limit. He can't run for US Senate. Our two slots are filled and probably won't be vacated any time soon. His goal now is to court favor with Bloomberg for some sort of job in the next Dem administration in Washington. The blackface thing has died down.

The Dems may only have a small majority, but they now control the committees. Than means these votes will go to the floor. There may be some Dems that would vote against confiscation, but we have had a few RINOs vote with the Dems in the past on guns.

I would never say, "It can't happen here." And it will be a test case for any other state who would like to do it.
Interesting insight about the Bloomberg connection. It sounds reasonable to me. However, if the Dems do have the votes to pass "Confiscation" they will be jumping in to a constitutional fight that they cannot win. Confiscation would be immediately challenged on grounds stemming from 2A, 4A, and 14A. In Miller v. Chicago (2010) The 14th was cited very specifically as a reason for Chicago's defeat. It brought in the 14th and Heller (2008) setting a precedent that VA would have to surmount, and I do. not think they could do it.

Interesting article about th 14th and gun control can be read here.
 

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Historically, this has never ended well. The very best outcome has been law abiding citizens becoming helpless victims of violence.

Expand this course of action to 300,000,000 firearms, and it becomes catastrophic.
 

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Northam has nothing to lose. VA governors have a one term limit. He can't run for US Senate. Our two slots are filled and probably won't be vacated any time soon. His goal now is to court favor with Bloomberg for some sort of job in the next Dem administration in Washington. The blackface thing has died down.

The Dems may only have a small majority, but they now control the committees. Than means these votes will go to the floor. There may be some Dems that would vote against confiscation, but we have had a few RINOs vote with the Dems in the past on guns.

I would never say, "It can't happen here." And it will be a test case for any other state who would like to do it.
And to those who would advise "just move" when it does happen, it can happen anywhere.
 

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I do not believe that gun confiscation will happen in VA. Northam, the Blackface, has already damaged his own credibility. Many wanted his resignation not because he wore Blackface in college but because the vehemently denied it until conclusive evidence came out. Then he fought off demands for resignation. The Dems have a marginal majority in the VA legislature. Not all of that majority are gun grabbers. Northam is toast, which is a little like Blackface, because he is a hypocrite.
Outright confiscation isn't necessary. Simply enact legislation, much like the bump stock ban with penalties of up to ten years in prison and a quarter-million dollar fine for mere possession, and the goal is achieved.
 

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Yea welcome to Ole Virginia where we have a RACIST, governor, and a SEXUAL ABUSER as a Lt. governor, and as the State Police act as the gov's personal little army. they will come up with a way to do it, my Uncles who where true Troopers in every sense of the tilte are turning in their graves
It’s amazing isn’t it? A Republican is expected to resign or drop out of the campaign as soon as a baseless accusation is made by the same people who will vote for someone who had a kid with a 17 year old, and another person who has yearbook photos dressed in black face. Once again, if they didn’t have double standards they wouldn’t have any standards.

Outright confiscation isn't necessary. Simply enact legislation, much like the bump stock ban with penalties of up to ten years in prison and a quarter-million dollar fine for mere possession, and the goal is achieved.
I’m amazed at how many people still don’t understand this. They champion the fact that few or no bump stocks/magazines were turned in in some states, while ignoring that the non criminal residents of that state who have them are not walking around town with them any more, and won’t sell them to anyone, won’t admit to anyone that they still possess one, whether it be in person, or online etc. they know that they can’t use them on their home defense gun because if they have to use it, they will be arrested. So they are basically being hidden in their attic until the day comes when they ponder how they will discreetly transport it to a public dumpster where they can throw it away without anyone knowing, because they won’t want someone to find it in their own trash can. But yeah, non compliance and all that...
 

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"The Randy Weaver tactic" was actually exactly the opposite. And that's very important.
While law enforcement could have arrested Weaver while he was running an errand in the nearby town, that's exactly the opposite of what they actually did.

Instead, they snuck up on his cabin and surrounded it while everybody was at home, inside. They set a sniper up, with a clear shot at the cabin's front door.
Then they waited for a while.
Finally, the Weaver's dog got a whiff of them, and began barking. So they shot the dog.
Then, when Weaver's 'teenage son came out to see about the dog and the gunshot, the sniper shot him. That same bullet also killed Weaver's wife, while she was standing in the doorway, holding her youngest child.
The standoff which resulted finally ended, after a lot of shooting, with Randy Weaver surrendering.

At trial, Weaver was found not guilty.
The sniper, also, was tried for having killed Weaver's wife. He, too, was judged not guilty!

Randy Weaver was a bigot who believed in "White supremacy." Not a nice person.
But he had committed a crime only as the result of entrapment by a government agent.
Entrapment is an illegal tactic, which was why Weaver was judged not guilty.
And the government had caused his (innocent) wife to die.

Bigotry may be despicable, but it is not a crime.
The government was as wrong about Weaver as it was in Waco.
Actually they did arrest him first off site.
To coerce him into changing his mind, the Feds staged a stunt where a broken down couple were at the side of the road. Weaver stopped to help them and was handcuffed, thrown face down in the snow and arrested. He had to post his home as bond. Still he refused to become a federal informant.
https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/ruby-ridge-siege-forgotten-history-weaver-family-atf-standoff-militia/

That same bullet also killed Weaver's wife, while she was standing in the doorway, holding her youngest child.
U.S. Marshal William Degan shot the dog (and most believe Sammy Weaver as well) days before, FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi shot and killed Vicki Weaver, and wounded Randy Weaver and Kevin Harris.

Two good books are on the subject are;

Ambush at Ruby Ridge : How Government Agents Set Randy Weaver Up and Took His Family Down by Alan W. Bock

and Every Knee Shall Bow by Jess Walter
 

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Outright confiscation isn't necessary. Simply enact legislation, much like the bump stock ban with penalties of up to ten years in prison and a quarter-million dollar fine for mere possession, and the goal is achieved.
I get what you are saying, but I think there is a major difference in doing that with bump stocks and assault rifles. The bump stock ban/confiscation affected many fewer people and companies. Using that method to take assault rifles out of the hands of the people would touch millions of people and dozens of companies. There would be a Constitutional challenge and the basis would be that the language of the law does not change the fact that the law effectively amounts to a confiscation of fireams that violates the 4th and 14th mendicant. The 14th Amendment would be the linchpin because it prevents states from legislating against the provisions of the Constitution. That would not apply to a ban which have been upheld in some Circuits. But bans only prevent future sales. Seizure is different. So the question is does a law that makes makes it illegal to retain an assault rifle amount to an unauthorized seizure by having a draconian penalty for non compliance? I think so, but that means 0.an
And remember the bump stock action was federal not state so the 14A does not apply. It would in VA.
 
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