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Gun homicides fall by 39 per cent since 1993 in the U.S... fueling Congress' battle over firearm restrictions | Mail Online

Both sides of the debate will use these figures for their arguments.

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"Gun rights advocates have argued that people are safer when they are allowed to own and carry guns. Those supporting gun control say that with more background checks, gun violence would drop because more criminals and mentally unstable people would be prevented from getting weapons."

The way I look at it is that homicides have fallen exactly during the period when most states created laws allowing concealed carry. We are seeing more proof that the right to keep and bear arms reduces crime.
 
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The way I look at it is that homicides have fallen exactly during the period when most states created laws allowing concealed carry. We are seeing more proof that the right to keep and bear arms reduces crime.
+1. The antis can try to spin this anyway they want, but this is the bottom line.
 

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From 1994 to 04 the crime bill was with us the antis will use that as well. I personally believe that more guns in the hands of good people reduces crime, but outside of John Lott I have no other evidence. Overall its a good sign....
 
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Not much news coverage but here is a bit more

Why Do So Many People Think Gun Violence Is Getting Worse? - Emily Badger - The Atlantic Cities


Why Do So Many People Think Gun Violence Is Getting Worse?

One of the most striking public policy stories in urban America for the past generation – true all across the country but mysterious in its causes – has been the steep decline in gun homicides and violent crime since the early 1990s. Gun homicides peaked in the United States in 1993, a zenith that coincides with the worst reputations of devolving cities in the midst of crack epidemics and white flight.

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Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware | Pew Social & Demographic Trends

Released: May 7, 2013

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
Pace of Decline Slows in Past Decade

by D’Vera Cohn, Paul Taylor, Mark Hugo Lopez, Catherine A. Gallagher, Kim Parker and Kevin T. Maass

Chapter 1: Overview

National rates of gun homicide and other violent gun crimes are strikingly lower now than during their peak in the mid-1990s, paralleling a general decline in violent crime, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of government data. Beneath the long-term trend, though, are big differences by decade: Violence plunged through the 1990s, but has declined less dramatically since 2000.

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The problem is the correlation effect. Correlation does not equal causation. Homicides go up in the summer and so do ice cream sales, does that mean that ice cream causes homicide? Not quite. Crime is affected from multitudes of factors and variables (new laws, developing social environments, collective permutation of cultural attitudes, etc. etc.) and trying to pin it down on anything singular, such as laxing or tightening firearm legislation, is unwise.
 
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The problem is the correlation effect. Correlation does not equal causation. Homicides go up in the summer and so do ice cream sales, does that mean that ice cream causes homicide? Not quite. Crime is affected from multitudes of factors and variables (new laws, developing social environments, collective permutation of cultural attitudes, etc. etc.) and trying to pin it down on anything singular, such as laxing or tightening firearm legislation, is unwise.
Could also mean better parenting right? I thought that was the reason for all the crimes? If anything my grandparents and parents generations were the worst parents. Crime in the 60's -80's was terrible!

That was sarcasm for the sarcasm impaired............It is more than one thing that causes stats to go up and down.
 
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For the most part, corrolation=causation simply doesn't work when it comes to more gun laws or less gun laws.

For every argument about how places with less gun laws are safer, there are anomolies that throw that argument down the toilet.

For every argument about how places with more gun laws are safer, there are anomolies that throw THAT argument down the toilet too.


For example, there are basically no gun laws in Somalia and other places in Africa and Latin America that are terribly violent.

Meanwhile there are nations in northwest Europe that have very strong gun laws and are very peaceful, but then you have cities in the USA with strict gun control but rampant violence.
 

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I just saw it mentioned on the NBC evening new! Brian Williams mentioned it and they showed the graphics in about 20 seconds and moved on. Surprise, surprise! If it had been the other way, that gun violence had gone UP, they would have devoted 20 minutes to talking about it instead of 20 seconds!:rolleyes: However, given their anti-gun bias, I'm surprised they even mentioned it!
 

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Surprise, surprise! If it had been the other way, that gun violence had gone UP, they would have devoted 20 minutes to talking about it instead of 20 seconds!:rolleyes:
Only 20 minutes?

How about 20 minutes a night for a couple of weeks? Maybe even a special?
 

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Also, received a email from JPFO linking to The Sad, Strange, and Ineffective Story of the Canadian Firearms Registry - Outdoor Hub

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Mauser continued, “No solid evidence can be found linking Canadian gun laws to declines in either violent crime rates or suicide rates. Firearms have been persistently involved in about one-third of homicides since 1975. Canadian homicide rates fell 22 percent between 1990 and 1998, before the beginning of firearm licensing and registration, but slid just two percent between 1998 and 2009. In contrast, homicide rates in the US fell 33 percent between 1990 and 1998 and 20 percent between 1998 and 2009. Suicides involving firearms started declining before the 1995 law came into effect, falling from 1,110 in 1991 to 818 in 1998. After licensing and long gun registration became mandatory in 1998, suicides continued to fall, dropping to 534 in 2007 (the most recent data available). Unfortunately, total suicides have remained relatively constant (3,593 in 1991; 3,613 in 2007), as alternative suicide methods remain readily accessible.


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Time for President Obama and Vice President Biden to regroup.........
 

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Just playing Devil's Advocate here:

But the statistic says "gun homocides" not gun crime. Could there be a corolation with improved trauma medicine?

The statistic quoted could be the result of our very fine first responders.

I believe there's a connection between the level of violent crime and gun control (and lack of) but this statistic hardly prooves it.
 

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Just playing Devil's Advocate here:

But the statistic says "gun homocides" not gun crime. Could there be a corolation with improved trauma medicine?

The statistic quoted could be the result of our very fine first responders.

I believe there's a connection between the level of violent crime and gun control (and lack of) but this statistic hardly prooves it.
According to the article, non-fatal gun crime fell by 70% for the same period..
 

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Gun homicides down, gun ownership up = Gun banners lied!

Two days after the National Rifle Association’s record-breaking annual convention in Houston, during which NRA leaders were vilified and gun prohibitionists cranked up the volume of their gun ban rhetoric, the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) released data that effective blows Titanic-sized holes in the gun control agenda.

Gun homicides down, gun ownership up = Gun banners lied! - Seattle gun rights | Examiner.com
 
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