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While head shots are much more effective when it comes to stopping the BG. One advantage to Center of Mass shooting that doesn't get mentioned much is the fact that it minimizes the potential for collateral damage, such as hitting an innocent victim. You have a much larger target and are less likely to miss. What do you guys think?

BTW... You guys may have seen this but I have a link to a great video of a CCW working at a hotel counter lay the smack down on a would be assailant (Nothing graphic is shown, just traumatic). I would like to get your guys opinion on how he responded. Granted, he achieved the desired results but what, if anything, could he have done differently given the amount of time he had.

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when the "s" hit the fan you wish you could make the tv head shots. but, you are fortunate if you hit your target (BG) with a center mass shot. sometimes yes, sometime no with the head shots. i have seen lots of rounds go down range and miss the "bg" .
 

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The ''effectiveness quotient'' of head over COM is probably indisputable but - the head moves randomly and rapidly and is a way smaller target area. IMO to try for head will almost always under stress guarantee a miss.

Under stress the most instinctive target zone is the main and largest region - so COM. If as many find, they shoot a shade high when stressed then higher COM shots might translate into head shots - whereas intended head shots will by and large be high or wide.
 

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Neutralize the threat, period.

Stress and required instanteous reaction would probably mean COM - time is too essential to 'concentrate' on a one-shot-ends-all head shot.

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As soon as you hit the COM a few times, I feel it's a good practice to try to score a head shot next. Lots of people can take a couple hits to the body and not be stopped cold. A head shot is a challenge to hit under stress, but isn't that why we all carry these big mags *wink* while head shot might be a bit luck, it sure would be a relief if you were being attacked and were close to be killed and all of sudden the threat is 100% gone
 

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Sure a head shot is more effective (most of the time) than a com shot but you have to take what the situation gives you. If you have a clean shot and are sure of you abilities then yea i'd say its a good option.
 

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Aim small - miss small.

I've never been in a firefight (thankfully). But I've done quite a bit of hunting and know how animals react when mortally wounded. I'm not about to assume that after I empty my pitifully under-powered weapon into the bad guy's chest that he will drop to the ground - unless one of those rounds hits the spinal column or the head. Reading some of Mr. Camp's accounts simply reinforces this belief. (Which is also why it amazes me that some folks will choose a subgun over a rifle - but that's another topic...)

I've also seen guys that can drill the bullseye all day at ridiculous distances shoot over a deer's head standing 10 yards away. Even experienced hunters have those moments. Adrenaline does funny things to the mind and while experience and training can help - they are in no way a fool-proof solution to the problem. I know the adrenaline dump from hunting big game in no way compares to that of a life or death situation, but I believe it is probably a similar - though subdued affect.

So where does this leave me? Everyone reacts differently in these situations - some folks will be calm as a button - others will be able to do little more than point the thing in a general direction and pull the trigger - regardless of training. I don't know where I'll fall - but if the day ever comes (and I hope it doesn't) I will aim at the smallest target I can find - whether it be a button on the guy's shirt, or the pimple on his nose - all the time practicing the four rules of safety. It may not work out like that - but that's muh plan.
 

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COM! Unless of course, ..you're using that new "laser guided
CQB head-shot ammo". :image035:

practice, Practice, ..PRACTICE.
 

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"Center - Mass..." The "shot of winners..!" Or at least more likely... :image035:
 

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Time and distance, coupled with skill and prior experience always dictate the scenario.

Take the shot that presents itself, under the time and distance constraints, knowing your personal limitations.

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The greater the elapsed time that any "violent event" continues then greater becomes the possibility that Madam Fate will interject her Fickle Finger into the scenario and things can/will go astray.
Obviously advancing your personal skill level always increases the liklihood that you can end a deadly threat quicker and more effectively.
 

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Whatever shot is available.

I have stated many times in the past, that I believe you take whatever shot is presented. The BG shows you a part of his body, from his big toe to his head, you do your best to shoot it off. Thankfully I have never been in a firefight, but one of my Jar Head buddies put it that way. You shoot whatever part of the BG that you have the opportunity to. You don't wait for the right shot, you take whatever shot you got. Putting two in the leg, or arm or foot, of the BG may not put him down immedietly but it will certainly help your cause. BG sticks his head around the corner you part his hair. COM is bigger more stationary target and so a higher percentage shot, but you better not wait around hoping for a perfect shot. Take the best shot you get and make it count.
 

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Sometime when you are at an indoor pistol range take a look at the walls and ceiling. They are full of marks from poorly aimed shots. Key word here is "aimed". Those marks were made by people under no pressure, taking their time and aiming.

Now imagine the high stress you would be under in a life or death confrontation. Your heart is raceing, you suffer from tunnel vision, your body is dumping all kinds of chemicals throughout your system, your fine motor skills are amost gone. You will be lucky to hit center of mass believe me.

A few months ago some idiot politician from NY proposed a shoot to wound law for LEO's. Shoot the bad guy in the arm or leg instead of center of mass. I believe anyone with half a living brain cell voted against this.
 

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One advantage to Center of Mass shooting that doesn't get mentioned much is the fact that it minimizes the potential for collateral damage, such as hitting an innocent victim. You have a much larger target and are less likely to miss.
Quite the contrary, this is a central theme.

The only answer to this question is, as always:
Time, Situation, and Capabilities will dictate.
 

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I've read somehwere (sorry can't remember so I can't reference it) that when the proverbial SHTF and you get that massive adrenaline dump because you are in fear of your life, you loose 60% of your shooting skills. Let's put some number to this theory.

So lets say at the range I can hit the head 10/10 times from 7 yards. In a real life situation, according to this theory, I'll only hit 4/10. Not very good odds. And this assumes that the BG is going to just stand there and let me aim at him.

Let's say I can draw and fire one shot at 7 hards 10 times and keep a 4 inch group (these are quick indexed shots ~1.1-1.3 second draw time). In a real life and death situation, I would expect my 4 inch group to increase to 6.4 inches. That would still be pretty good COM shots.

I think the situation will have to dictate what you're going to do. If some crack head crazy is charging you with a samurai sword, you'll probably be drawing, moving, and letting the lead just fly. So COM shots would be the most realistic. If it's a hostage type situation, or the BG only presents a head and there is not much movement, then a head shot it is.

My cousin who is an officer in a large city PD shot a crack head in the head about 5 years ago. The guy was in a stolen truck and was trying to run my cousin over. My cousin side stepped the vehicle and put one shot in his head. He told me there wasn't much of a target to actually stop the guy other than the head. So head shots can be made, I guess. To my cousins credit, he is one of those cops who are "gun guys". He loves to shoot and collect guns. So he probably had lots of practice and training under his belt.
 

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Like others have said before, I'll take whatever shot presents itself. In theory, I hope that if I'm ever in the situation I will put two COM and if that doesn't work, then one in the head.
 

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I have ran a tactical course and on the run or moving for cover with all of the stress that is going on go for the COM a head shot in that or just about any situation is really really hard to do.
 

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This is really sort of off topic to this thread but, my old highly tuned S&W Bodyguard .38 (action job done by MagNaPort) was purchased by a PGH LEO & did a one shot H. S. on a crazy druggie. Just FYI
 
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