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Sometimes I carry a semi-auto only. Sometimes I carry a revolver only. Often I carry two semi-autos. Sometimes I carry a revolver and a semi auto. Currently, I have a Colt Delta Elite on my belt @ 3:00 with a spare magazine @ 9:00. I also have an NAA MiniMag 22m revolver in my shorts pocket.
 
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Funny, as I was just comparing the P365 vs Hellcat vs J frame at the gun store counter this past weekend. The only role for any of them, for me, would be as a pocket gun...and they are all too large for me. My large thighs make all of them print, and the J frame peeks out of my pocket opening.

That said, when I tried pocket carry with my wife’s G43, it would often catch on the pocket, fouling the draw. The shape of the snub revolver is much, much better suited for pocket carry...if you have skinny legs and deep pockets, that is. :smile: Especially the “hammerless” or shrouded hammer models.

For now, I’m sticking with my LCPs, which fulfill the pocket role the best, for me. The slope of the rear of their slides really aids in getting them out of the pocket smoothly.
I pocket carried my P365 in an Alabama pocket holster wearing cargo shorts and a Kore Essentials belt this past weekend. It disappears and does not cause them to sag. Having said that, I can't pocket carry the P365 in jeans, dress pants, or dress shorts.

If I were picking a gun just for pocket carry I'd go revolver. My P365 is normally IWB at the 4 o'clock position and is at it's best in this role. IMO, the Hellcat would fill a similar role.
 

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Questions to ponder-

What is the true probability of immediately needing more than five rounds in a defensive scenario versus the true probability of inadvertently activating your tactical magazine release prior to drawing for said encounter and ending up with a single-shot (or zero-shot if equipped with a mag safety)?

How many times in your life have you discovered your carry gun to have a dislodged magazine- even with use of a fancy rigid holster?
Once after a shift as an Auxiliary Police Officer, I got home and put my Glock into the safe...only to find that the mag had dislodged somehow. It was a single shot. :doh:

I think the probability of limp wristing under stress, or having to fire contact shots, are much higher than needing more than five shots for an average citizen. Carrying a pair of revolvers is arguably the best CCW setup, period.

I just wish someone would make a modern DA snub closer in size to the micro .380s like the LCP. That would be a true pocket revolver.
 

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Once after a shift as an Auxiliary Police Officer, I got home and put my Glock into the safe...only to find that the mag had dislodged somehow. It was a single shot. :doh:

I think the probability of limp wristing under stress, or having to fire contact shots, are much higher than needing more than five shots for an average citizen. Carrying a pair of revolvers is arguably the best CCW setup, period.

I just wish someone would make a modern DA snub closer in size to the micro .380s like the LCP. That would be a true pocket revolver.
S&W did. It’s an I frame called the Terrier. I think it’s chambered for the S&W 38 and the S&W 32.
 
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If I new for a fact that today was the day I'd have to use a firearm to defend my life OR if I wanted something that I could beat and shoot the crap out of cheaply and without a care in the world, I'd choose the Hellcat...

Pride of ownership, better future resale value, the ability to fire from the pocket, etc, I'd choose a revolver...

I carry single stack 9mm's and I also sometimes carry a revolver. I like them both, but there's no doubt that semis are easier to shoot, generally easier and faster to reload, have better faster to acquire sights, and generally have better triggers vs revolvers...
Well, if I knew that today was the day the s**t would hit the fan, I would be carrying a 12 gauge shot gun! That said I do feel comfortable a well armed, where I live, with a 642 loaded with 158 gr. LSWC.
 

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Well, if I knew that today was the day the s**t would hit the fan, I would be carrying a 12 gauge shot gun! That said I do feel comfortable a well armed, where I live, with a 642 loaded with 158 gr. LSWC.
Of course I'd carry a long gun too, but I was working within the confines of the OP. If I had to pick a 5 or 6 shot revolver vs a 11+1 or 13+1 semiauto, I'd choose the semiauto... I reckon the overwhelming majority of other gun owners would too.
 

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Questions to ponder-

What is the true probability of immediately needing more than five rounds in a defensive scenario versus the true probability of inadvertently activating your tactical magazine release prior to drawing for said encounter and ending up with a single-shot (or zero-shot if equipped with a mag safety)?

How many times in your life have you discovered your carry gun to have a dislodged magazine- even with use of a fancy rigid holster?
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I pocket carry either my Hellcat, 642 or sometimes my LCR these days. Lately is mostly the Hellcat, but my 642 pocket carries a little easier for me.

But, like you Howard, the more I shoot this Hellcat, the more impressed I am with it. So I’ll suffer the harder to pocket carry Hellcat to enjoy the significant increase in firepower and accuracy it offers over my trusty old J Frame.
 

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I carry Two J-Frames. One is Assessable to each hand. The pocket J can be held in the pocket while walking in a questionable area without drawing attention. The waistband J is accessible to both hands. I like the Revolver better because I don’t have to worry about knocking a slide out of battery in a contact situation. I also don’t have to worry about a perfect grip to make the gun run reliably. I also don’t have to worry about a attacker or myself coming into contact with the slide and causing a miss feed or fail to eject. That new Hellcat and the 365 sure look like great guns but I’m not comfortable thinking if I’m attacked and having to think about grip and contact of a gun while “possible” being in physical contact with my attacker, the ground, or barriers. These are the Two I will carry today.
 

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I carry a j frame the vast majority of the time. I use various pocket holsters but most recently, I’ve been preferring a Don Hume leather one. Depending on the clothing I’m wearing, I carry a S&W 640 Pro or a 642.

I also have a Shield 9mm on my permit, and I have an IWB kydex holster for it. It’s a great semi auto, and it’s small enough to fit in some pockets, but I almost never carry it.

For me, and this is super individual, the j frame is not only extremely easy to carry, but it’s really all I need. I understand being prepared and I do have a fire extinguisher and I wear my seat belt as well, and with my lifestyle, 5 rounds is more than likely to be plenty.

I do spend most of my “tactical” (if you can call it that) having situational awareness and avoiding potentially dangerous situations even though I have to work late at night sometimes.

For each his or her own. I dread the day I which I’d have to use my gun to defend myself or my family, but the odds of that are low, and the odds of needing to reload or need more than 5 are vanishingly small for me. But yeah, I do carry a speed strip and/or a HKS speed loader as well just in case. :)




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Howard, I found this video again, three months latter. So how has summer carry with it worked out. Have you stuck with it, or gone back to the Smith? And how are you carrying either, pocket?
 

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Howard, I found this video again, three months latter. So how has summer carry with it worked out. Have you stuck with it, or gone back to the Smith? And how are you carrying either, pocket?
It depends a little on how I'm dressed. I've been carrying the HC a good bit when wearing pants or shorts with pockets that will accommodate it. Even so, it's still awfully easy to grab the 342 on the way out the door and drop it in a pocket. I'm sure that when the weather gets cooler and my clothing gets heavier, the HC will get the nod most of the time, but that 342 will probably still follow me out the door every now and then!

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It seems hard to get away from J-frames.

It depends a little on how I'm dressed. I've been carrying the HC a good bit when wearing pants or shorts with pockets that will accommodate it. Even so, it's still awfully easy to grab the 342 on the way out the door and drop it in a pocket. I'm sure that when the weather gets cooler and my clothing gets heavier, the HC will get the nod most of the time, but that 342 will probably still follow me out the door every now and then!

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Excellent comparison and (as usual) an excellent video, Howard. You do a fine job with these.
That said, I've been doing my own comparison for my preference in pocket carry. My friend Matt loaned me his 642 to carry for a couple of days. My legs aren't "tree trunks" and my pockets are deep (Duluth pants), but the width of the snub prints like crazy and the length of the grip is too long for comfortable carry and draw. I also tried my Shield in the pocket -- too big to draw easily and prints too much. After checking all measurements carefully, I don't think the Hellcat and P365 are really enough smaller than the Shield to make much difference. If I'm going to belt carry, I'd rather carry a 9mm (or larger) than a snub.
So -- at this time, my LCPII is filling the pocket carry role just fine. Even as small as it is, it prints some.
Everybody's different to be sure. In two weeks I might change my mind. (y)
 

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Nice to see this thread carrying on for a while as the subject is interesting and the posts informative. I don't pocket carry. I prefer OWB at 3 or 4 o'clock under an untucked shirt. I am built such that I can conceal a lot of different size guns that way. I do prefer a revolver as a go to primary for a lot of the reasons already expressed by others. However I often carry a variety of semi autos as well. Just depends on how I feel about it at the time. But the snub revolver is by far my favorite for fast and furious up close and personal self defense over any semi auto with which I have any experience.
 

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Very informative video and great thread.
Howard- Would you share your thoughts concerning your selection of pocket holsters for your HellCat?
 

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Very informative video and great thread.
Howard- Would you share your thoughts concerning your selection of pocket holsters for your HellCat?
At the risk of being labeled a "safety violator" I must admit I don't use a pocket holster. When I pocket carry, nothing else goes into the pocket with the firearm. For that reason, I'm not too worried about a random car key or what-have-you getting inside the trigger guard and applying pressure to the trigger. I also don't worry tremendously about "printing." after 3+ decades of carrying a firearm virtually everywhere I go, I think you almost have to brandish your firearm and point it at people (from close range) in order for them to realize you are armed. Depending upon the specific garment in which I'm carrying my pistol, it rides pretty well and doesn't move around too much. So for all those reasons, I go sans holster when I pocket carry.

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I mostly carry my K6. I sometimes carry my P365. I also pocket carry my BodyGuard .380. The Kimber and P365 both had early firing pin/striker issues, but they've been resolved to my satisfaction. The revolver and Bodyguard are the most safe, since they are inert as carried -- that's to say there is no energy stored in a spring, ready to ignite a cartridge with a mechanical or personal failure. My carry choices are illuminated by practice and specifically what I feel the most comfortable practicing with. I would not carry my P365 AIWB before I added a manual safety, because with the fully compressed striker spring is very much like a cocked 1911 with no safety. I still am very uncomfortable practicing with it AIWB, because of the potential seriousness of a mistake, which of course would be my own (painful) fault. I would have to be brain dead to fully pull the K6 or Bodyguard trigger to the point of discharge. I'm wary of striker fired pistols (for carry) that completely compress the striker spring when cycling. Most of the 'drop safety' firing pin blocks are at the back end of the striker, so a striker break could allow the striker to hit the primer with full power, putting you one mechanical failure away from an AD. I would note that the Hellcat striker block is at the front of the striker, making it inherently more safe.
 

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At the risk of being labeled a "safety violator" I must admit I don't use a pocket holster. When I pocket carry, nothing else goes into the pocket with the firearm. For that reason, I'm not too worried about a random car key or what-have-you getting inside the trigger guard and applying pressure to the trigger. I also don't worry tremendously about "printing." after 3+ decades of carrying a firearm virtually everywhere I go, I think you almost have to brandish your firearm and point it at people (from close range) in order for them to realize you are armed. Depending upon the specific garment in which I'm carrying my pistol, it rides pretty well and doesn't move around too much. So for all those reasons, I go sans holster when I pocket carry.

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I don't sweat the holster when pocket carrying my 642 either Howard. With nothing else in the pocket and a trigger north of 12 pounds its not an issue for me and especially in a jacket pocket where I want to be able to fire from inside the pocket a holster makes no sense.
I sometimes slip the gun in a thin Blackhawk No. 4 in a front pants pocket but, that is strictly for keeping the gun oriented correctly as that thin cloth gives no trigger protection to speak of.
I would feel comfortable carrying IWB with just a clip on the gun but, it moves around too much so it goes in a holster AIWB.
Also the reason I have no interest in a "trigger job" on my carry guns.

I will not carry a striker AIWB even in the best made holster I could find. Just my quirks I guess and why I consider a DAO revolver the top carry gun you can get for safety and versatility.
 
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