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About a year ago I purchased my first gun, a used HS 2000 (XD predecessor) in 9mm with a 4 inch barrel and a 16 round magazine. Then I bought a Kel Tec p3at as my backup gun, which now serves as a primary more often than I would like (like jogging, going to the gym, going on dates, etc) because of its ease of carry. After Sandy Hook I worried about a ban on high-capacity magazines so I bought one of the last compact XD-9s in the gun shop and overzealously ordered 3 additional 16 round magazines from Springfield.

So at this point I have essentially two interchangeable high capacity 9mm, 4 inch barrel guns that are hard to conceal. Because they are hard to conceal I find myself carrying the Kel Tec P3at more often than I would like. I worry that in a gunfight in the gym, on my jogging route, or on a date, I would be dead meat because I find it hard to shoot it accurately and it only holds 6+1 slow, light rounds.

Size-wise I am looking for something between a full size 9mm and the Kel Tec. I am sold on the 9mm and dont want to consider other calibers. I will be trading in the HS 2000 and need to decide between the single stack 9mm pocket pistols like the XDs/ CM9 / PF9 / LC9 on one hand and the XD-9 subcompact or Glock 26 on the other hand. In a shtf scenario I would obviously much rather have the double stack subcompact, but I am also particularly concerned about printing since I wear T shirts year round down here in South Florida.

In sum, my question is: If you have found, in your experience, that concealing a full size 9mm is impracticable given the fact that you tend to wear tailored clothing and live in a warm climate, but you are not comfortable with a small .380, which 9mm would you buy, in the $400-500 range, to fill that gap? I prefer appendix carry IWB.
 

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Glock 19, 9mm Gen 3 if you can find one, Gen 4, if not. Or S&W M&P Compact 9mm.

Dont worry much about printing. People look, but they do not see. Amazing, but true.
 

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Walther PPS but hold one first, trigger location kinda awkward.
 

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If your a fan of the Xd line go get a sub compact. Otherwise go trade your guns for a glock 19 & 26 as far as a double stack. If you want a single stack go get a shield.
 

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Welcome to the forum.

I don't understand why the current gun is hard to conceal because of the 4" barrel. A sub compact is only going to be at the most 1" shorter, and the barrel is enclosed in the holster inside of you pants. Before looking for a new gun, I'd look at how your carrying first.
 

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The Glock-26 would be very dependable, and easily concealable.
If you like bigger holes, pick up and 'hold' the Glock-36 (.45).:yup:

BTW, that P-3AT is a great little BUG...don't discount it.
 
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You need to listen to Evan Marshal. Learn to dress around your Gun. I also carry in the Apendix position for my main carry gun. It doesn't matter if I'm in Florida or Ohio. I haven't worn a Tuck in Shirt in 15 years. I carry 2 Guns every day all day. 3 Summers ago I carried a Glock 21 and my LCR357 just to show people in our CCW Classes how much can be hidden by a shirt. I carried the Glock 21 for 2 months. I like clip on IWB Holsters so I can change positions. Apendix, Crossdraw or behind the Hip. It just takes practice. For the last 2+ years I have carried a SP101 and a LCR357. If I want to go with a little less weight I use a 442 and the LCR.
 

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I have little experience with single-stack 9mm, but from what I've read, my top choices would be s&w Shield, Ruger LC9, and Walther PPS. Probably the Shield.
 

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Glock 19, 9mm Gen 3 if you can find one, Gen 4, if not. Or S&W M&P Compact 9mm.

Dont worry much about printing. People look, but they do not see. Amazing, but true.
^^^This!^^^
 

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Welcome to the forum.

I don't understand why the current gun is hard to conceal because of the 4" barrel. A sub compact is only going to be at the most 1" shorter, and the barrel is enclosed in the holster inside of you pants. Before looking for a new gun, I'd look at how your carrying first.
Welcome to the forum! :wave:

I agree with Archer, I think the issue involves your carry method more than your pistol choice.
 

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I wear shorts, sandals, and an un-tucked t-shirt, polo shirt, or Hawaiian shirt during the summer. I carry a full size 1911 at 3:00 o'clock and a spare magazine at 9:00 o'clock on my belt. I also pocket carry a Springfield XDS-45 and a spare magazine. When I go to the gym, I leave the 1911 in the safe and just pocket carry the XDS-45.
 

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I can carry a full size 9mm (CZ 75B) under a Hawaiian styled shirt. I always choose a darker color with lots of design. It does not noticeably print. That being said, there's nothing wrong with a .380 for self defense. If you find your kel tec hard to shoot, practice more. good luck
 

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DSCN4718c.jpg DSCN4719c.jpg Ruger Sr40C in a 3speed Holster this is what i wear in Gulf Coast Texas 95% of the time. from the time i awake till I go to sleep. If I had to get dressed up (Office type attire) I'd probably opt for a good gun belt and a tuckable AIWB.
 

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I like my SR9c because its quite easy to conceal with the ten round mag, and the 17 round mag turns it into a full size pistol for all intents. The little gun is a shooter, too. More accurate than I am, and extremely reliable, so far. I have about a thousand rounds through it without a ftf/fte. I carry in a Theis iwb
Hybrid at 3:30 and the thing is invisible,
Shirt tucked in or out. You should be able to snag the pistol NIB for approximately 400$

I also have a nylon clip on iwb holster that I use for the rare appendix carry, but it, too, can be moved about and canted however you like it.

Good luck in your search :)
Respectfully,
Sam

Sent from my XT907
 

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Welcome from Central Texas!!!!!

Put a CT laser on the P3AT and learn to set the trigger and it will become very accurate and a good gun for low light.

Glock 26 is a very good small 9mm, but being double stack is a little wide to hide with ease.

Had and carried Kel Tec PF9 but it was to big and to small, Too big for deep carry and too small for range work.

Glock 36 is a great carry and shooting self defense firearm, 45acp 6+1 and it just hides very well.
 
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