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Lets say you were walking down the street. A man pulls a gun on some elderly woman and starts dragging her into a house She is screaming and begging for help. He brutally pistol whips her and pulls her by the hair into a house. The local papers and news have talked about the local serial killer and serial rapist, this guy matches the description and the MO.

Will you step in or is your gun just for yourself and family?
 

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When it is something that clear cut, I'm probably going to intervene at some level. That's not something I could just watch and then go on my merry way.

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Of course, why else carry unless it's only for purely selfish
concerns. We must stand up to defend those who are helpless and especially if they, as in this situation are in danger of losing their:hand10: life.
 

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Too good not to reprise!

 

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The perils of intervention on behalf of others has been discussed repeatedly. I will post this link as "food for thought" for those that may not have read it before.

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I'm afraid my military training would go into overdrive in this case. I would do everthing I could to help as long as I didnt severely compromise my safety either. I'd rather not get into a gunfight if I didnt have to ...
 

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No, I won't chase the bad guy in your scenario. If they are inside, I don't go in after an armed person. That's like trying to clear an unfamiliar house by yourself. Not smart.

I'll be calling 911 and waiting. Might try yelling to let him know that he was seen and the police are on the way but from a safe position.

If they are still outside and visible, I'll do what I can within the limits of my training.
 

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Re: helping others

The perils of intervention on behalf of others has been discussed repeatedly. I will post this link as "food for thought" for those that may not have read it before.

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Thanks Biker. Your link to Evan Marshall says all that needs said.
 

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The perils of intervention on behalf of others has been discussed repeatedly. I will post this link as "food for thought" for those that may not have read it before.

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+1, Thanks for that link. It really makes ya stop and think about it.
 

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That's a tough one. Like someone else said, if they are already inside by this time, I'd likely do more harm than good by going inside. Outside...hard to say because of so many other factors.
 

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Nice try Oldskoolfan... I already know what I'll do. Most members here know what I'll do... But the bottom line here is this...
And inquiring minds want to know.

What Will You Do Oldskoolfan?

Feel free to post your response before you have an opportunity to read everyone else's before you formulate your game plan.

We understand for OPSEC ("Operational Security") reasons, you may not wish to reveal your "trade secrets," but we promise not to tell the bad guys.

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Note: No further posts from me on this thread should be expected!
 

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Unequivocally, yes I would help out. I'm probably going to be contrary to most who respond, but I would be willing to risk my life for her safety. This isn't a simply car jacking or robbery. This would be a premeditated, violent attack.

I think, even morally, I wouldn't be able to NOT intervene.
 

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Evan's well-written essay underpins my belief that simply using the sheep/sheepdog tags can lead to dangerous and faulty thinking.

If someone chooses NOT to carry (as in a recent thread regarding a poster's spouse), they are often simply making a different risk calculation than you. It doesn't make them a "sheep". The requirements for carrying a loaded pistol in many states are easier than adopting a stray dog. I support our rights to do so, but it hardly gives you a reason to look down your nose at those who choose not to.

If you want to be a "sheepdog", get involved in educational programs for young people, become a block captain in your neighborhood, run for public office, volunteer at the soup kitchen and hospital, or - for those that really dig the firearms aspect - become a LEO.

A simple willingness to take violent and lethal action on behalf of others is a recipe for vigilantism, as well as sundry other potential disasters.
 

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Evan's well-written essay underpins my belief that simply using the sheep/sheepdog tags can lead to dangerous and faulty thinking.

If someone chooses NOT to carry (as in a recent thread regarding a poster's spouse), they are often simply making a different risk calculation than you. It doesn't make them a "sheep". The requirements for carrying a loaded pistol in many states are easier than adopting a stray dog. I support our rights to do so, but it hardly gives you a reason to look down your nose at those who choose not to.

If you want to be a "sheepdog", get involved in educational programs for young people, become a block captain in your neighborhood, run for public office, volunteer at the soup kitchen and hospital, or - for those that really dig the firearms aspect - become a LEO.

A simple willingness to take violent and lethal action on behalf of others is a recipe for vigilantism, as well as sundry other potential disasters.
:congrats: Very well put.
 

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Evan's well-written essay underpins my belief that simply using the sheep/sheepdog tags can lead to dangerous and faulty thinking.

If someone chooses NOT to carry (as in a recent thread regarding a poster's spouse), they are often simply making a different risk calculation than you. It doesn't make them a "sheep". The requirements for carrying a loaded pistol in many states are easier than adopting a stray dog. I support our rights to do so, but it hardly gives you a reason to look down your nose at those who choose not to.

If you want to be a "sheepdog", get involved in educational programs for young people, become a block captain in your neighborhood, run for public office, volunteer at the soup kitchen and hospital, or - for those that really dig the firearms aspect - become a LEO.

A simple willingness to take violent and lethal action on behalf of others is a recipe for vigilantism, as well as sundry other potential disasters.
:congrats: :hand10:

Very well stated.
 

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Evan's well-written essay underpins my belief that simply using the sheep/sheepdog tags can lead to dangerous and faulty thinking.

If someone chooses NOT to carry (as in a recent thread regarding a poster's spouse), they are often simply making a different risk calculation than you. It doesn't make them a "sheep". The requirements for carrying a loaded pistol in many states are easier than adopting a stray dog. I support our rights to do so, but it hardly gives you a reason to look down your nose at those who choose not to.

If you want to be a "sheepdog", get involved in educational programs for young people, become a block captain in your neighborhood, run for public office, volunteer at the soup kitchen and hospital, or - for those that really dig the firearms aspect - become a LEO.

A simple willingness to take violent and lethal action on behalf of others is a recipe for vigilantism, as well as sundry other potential disasters.
I suspect your take on this scenario becomes very different if the victim is (God forbid) a member of your family. At that point, I suspect you'd be most happy if the bystander did take action.

There are very valid reasons for not intervening in a situation which is not clear-cut and you don't know the full story. That said, in the situation presented by the OP, there's no doubt whatsoever who the aggressor is in the conflict.

A wise person (who probably was not Edmund Burke) once said "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

I certainly support your right to inaction in this situation, if that is the course you choose. But it hardly gives you a reason to look down your nose at those who choose differently.

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After reading the essay posted by BikerRN, I would certainly call 911 and wait for LE to arrive, especially if the BG made it intot the house.building with his prey. If this is going down on the street, call 911 and act only if there is not other course of action left.
 

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I would not get involved. I'm not law inforcement. I would continue to watch and stay there. Get a discriptions. I would dial 911.
 

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So she just finished killing his wife and kids, and was dragging her back into the house while waiting for the cops.

I don't know the whole story so it's only call 911 and report. Def not goin in the house.
 
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