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No, this is not a troll...I have been thinking lately about the aspects/implications of having a dedicated car gun (DCG) for defensive use. Right now, I sometimes leave my G26 in the center console overnight (I have a garage for the building I live in), I don't usually worry much but the risk of theft is constant. I had my car broken into once (Chevy Tahoe) about 2 years ago, I had things like a radar detector stolen. My neighborhood is a desirable target for property crime since there are a lot of nice cars (mostly leased!) around and people tend to be clueless about security. I understand the risk of possibly having a gun stolen out of my car, but think the risk is tolerable in exchange for always having at least one gun available where ever I drive. I want to mitigate the risk of potential loss however.

Thinking of guns that would be am inexpensive DCG, and I mean $300 or less, size really isn't that much of an issue since it won't be carried on my person. Firepower is critical, but I'm looking purely at handguns and possibly pistol caliber carbines, and SBR is the best choice but isn't practical given the cost and time. In looking at possible options, I'm giving serious consideration to a .45 Hi Point either pistol or the 995 carbine. Both seem to fit what I'm looking for, I'm getting into .45 anyway in general also. The gun needs to fit into a 12"x12" bag that I can keep in the back seat or console.

I know many will jump on the Hi Point bashing train, but let's save that, I've heard it all so I know what the comments are. Does this seem like a sensible DCG? Is my whole concept sound? Any other suggestions?
 

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I think the concept of a dedicated car gun is foolish. Anything past that is moot.


But to give you an answer, if you HAD to keep a gun in your car then a cheap gun is a good idea. The reality of the situation though is that sooner or later you will be donating your gun to a criminal enterprise.
 

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Myself I do not care for a dedicated car gun since unless I am going on base I am usually armed any way. Before you decide on a car gun the first choice would be a secure way of storing it.

Here is what I use when I do have to disarm and it will fit a Gov Model 1911. GunVault NV300 NanoVault with Combination Lock - Amazon.com
 

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Translation: Is a Hi Point a good gun to give to a criminal?

I would suggest either a car safe (there are some good ones for the Tahoe or you could get one fabricated locally) or make a better effort to keep your carry gun with you back and forth during your day.


I won't bash the Hi Point carbines. I found them to be pretty serviceable and easy to shoot. We had several as rentals when I worked at a range. The finish didn't seem to hold up well to cleaning but mechanically they were actually a good value.
 

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I agree with the sentiment that it really doesn't matter what brand of gun that you make available to criminals.

The way you keep a gun on you wherever you drive, is to have it in a good holster on you. My gun at the moment is an office gun. When I go to the bathroom, it's a bathroom gun. When I get in my car, it's a car gun.
 

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Translation: Is a Hi Point a good gun to give to a criminal?
^^^^^ This.

And This VVVVV

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I agree with the sentiment that it really doesn't matter what brand of gun that you make available to criminals.

The way you keep a gun on you wherever you drive, is to have it in a good holster on you. My gun at the moment is an office gun. When I go to the bathroom, it's a bathroom gun. When I get in my car, it's a car gun.
 

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Or, Is a Hi Point what you want to depend upon if needed?
 
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never leave your gun in you vehicle unattended. If you read on the news that some kid was shot and killed with the Hi-Point stolen from your vehicle, the value
of the gun stolen won't really mean much, now will it? After all, its not the value of the gun, but the bullet coming out of the end that matters.

...the kid will be just as dead as if he had been shot with a Wilson Combat Custom 1911.
 

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All of the above comments aside I would add that your life is just as valuable to you when you are in your vehicle as when you are in your residence or out on the street so you should defend your life with the most familiar, reliable, and effective firearm that you own and that would probably not be a new Hi-Point.
 

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I know it's not necessarily the intent of your thread, but I'm curious about the reasoning behind keeping a gun in the car. What purpose in protecting you do you foresee such a "car gun" serving? If you don't mind sharing.
 

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The high point bashing is a little overboard. I dont own a high point dont want a high point but I have handled them and a friend of mine has one. He said its a good gun, just heavy and bulky. Has anyone watched the you tube video of the guys who had to drive a bolt into it to blow it up? Its quite interesting and does make a good case for high point. They ran over it with a truck 3x, dunked it in a bucket of mud, threw it at the target with steel backer, ran 30% and 50% over max loads, drove a rifle case into the barrel and still didnt blow it up. There was only one failure to feed. If you want a gun thats gonna go bang ewery time for 200 bux a high point is the gun for you.
 

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better yet, use a DeSantis Kingston car holster.
 

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The high point bashing is a little overboard. I dont own a high point dont want a high point but I have handled them and a friend of mine has one. He said its a good gun, just heavy and bulky. Has anyone watched the you tube video of the guys who had to drive a bolt into it to blow it up? Its quite interesting and does make a good case for high point. They ran over it with a truck 3x, dunked it in a bucket of mud, threw it at the target with steel backer, ran 30% and 50% over max loads, drove a rifle case into the barrel and still didnt blow it up. There was only one failure to feed. If you want a gun thats gonna go bang ewery time for 200 bux a high point is the gun for you.
http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/defensive-rifles-shotgun-discussion/150869-keltec-vs-hi-point-9mm-carbine-3.html#post2754638
 

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The high point bashing is a little overboard. I dont own a high point dont want a high point but I have handled them and a friend of mine has one. He said its a good gun, just heavy and bulky. Has anyone watched the you tube video of the guys who had to drive a bolt into it to blow it up? Its quite interesting and does make a good case for high point. They ran over it with a truck 3x, dunked it in a bucket of mud, threw it at the target with steel backer, ran 30% and 50% over max loads, drove a rifle case into the barrel and still didnt blow it up. There was only one failure to feed. If you want a gun thats gonna go bang ewery time for 200 bux a high point is the gun for you.
Another opinion based on youtubes and 2nd hand information.

First off, the brand is called Hi-Point, not High Point. I own two. I've detailed stripped them (not an easy task, btw). Zink-alloy slides (same pot metal that hot-wheels are made out of), cheap paint on the barrel that peels off and gums up the action, and magazine feed lips that often need adjusting in order to feed properly do not make for a desirable firearm.

You will find owners that do have examples that work fine for them - for the moment that is. I played with two C9's to see if I could get them to function. After stripping the barrel and fluffing/buffing the internals, and adjusting the feed lips, I did get one to feed consistently and shoot straight. If this is the only thing that you can afford, save up another 100 bucks and get a nice used S&W model 10.
 
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