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Being in Australia, I have very limited options as to what I can carry out on the street. At home however, its a different matter.

Short of firearms (due to the EXTREMELY restrictive laws governing type, method of storage of firearm and ammo etc), there are very few weapons I can't keep at home, with expandable batons, anti personnel sprays (or any aerosol spray used to defend oneself), any kind of concealable or 'automatic' (balisong, OTF etc) knife, crossbows and most martial arts weapons being the exceptions. I don't want to go with a maglite due to the excessive force issue it can raise (lead filled pipe etc)

I am wanting to upgrade from the metal baseball bat which I keep beside my bed simply because I worry about killing the offender.

Knives are out as I feel that they require you to get very "up close" with a home invader or burglar who is most likely carrying a knife or syringe (lets face it, if they have a gun, there are far easier ways to get money, like mugging people).

My shortlist at the moment includes the "Denver" four ply Boston Leather sap, a mid size combat axe or a machete. In a home situation, I'm aiming to end the fight quickly, through either intimidation or use of proportionate force while being able to respond to emerging threats.

Any other suggestions?
 

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Dammit - I just feel so enraged almost - that you have to think so hard to come up with options.

To be honest and from a purely logical POV - if you are under serious threat, the last thing you should have to worry about is whether you kill the darned perp!! The bat sounds one very good option as does Maglight, even tho you are leary of using either to the max.

Trouble is, in extremis - how does anyone measure their force level - I mean - one blow to the guy's head? Not enough. Try two more - ah better - but now he is on floor with cranial fracture!!!

It really seems so crazy that almost all bias is toward a bad guy's well being - and to hell with victims. If you are under attack it should be ''game on'' - and fight as unfairly as you know how to survive. Sad thing is all you suggest and mention suggests whatever you might do - you will be in deep do-do.:frown:
 

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Wow, seems like your options are fairly limited. Of the possibilities you listed, I'd stick with the bat myself. The "combat axe" or machete are just as likely to kill the intruder, at the risk of looking worse should you have to go to court.

What about a good (BRIGHT) light, the bat, and a big stinking dog?
 

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I would suggest anything that is good and heavy, but would not ordinarlily be considered a weapon. The more ludicris sounding the better for you should you ever have to face a judge.

A walking stick with a big brass knob on it. Preferably and antique, that could have belonged to your grandpa.

Tools are nice. I personally keep a smallish flat prybar with me at work when I am in an area where I cannot carry. A pipe wrench, hammer, or other heavy blunt tool would be plausible as well. Especially if you use them from time to time.

Large gaudy indian brass statues and vases would also make for an effective weapon.

As I said, usable but ludicris sounding, would be best in your situation.
 

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My state's legislation (the second nastiest in the country) specify the use of 'reasonable and proportionate force'... in other words, what a regular person (see JURY) would agree was reasonable in the circumstance.

Unfortuneately, in most cases, if a drunk or a druggie breaks in, you are basically fed the 'don't be a hero, wait for the police' line. That's not who I am. I'm not going to cower in the bedroom and call the police.

A good example is the 16 year old drunk who, after being refused entry to a bar downstairs, scaled a wall and broke into the owner's residence upstairs after hours, where he, his wife and young children were staying. The owner gave the kid a whack with the bat... and ended up getting his arse sued off.
 

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Nope. All anti personnel electronic devices (taser, myotron, stun gun) are also prohbited at a state and federal level.
 

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How about OC (Pepper Spray)??? I just read a review for a duty grade LED Flashlight with OC Spray built in. The review in a police magazine is very positive and looks like something that would be an assist. From a police officers point of view, I can agree with the ball bat, but have to stand against the machette, just makes something for a prosecutor to jump onto. Maybe you can find a high quality kitchen knife with a strong blade. Looks better if you "grabbed" a kitchen knife to defend yourself, instead of a machette you purchased with the intent to whack someone with. Just perspective and something to mull over.
 

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One of the nastiest as in "I wouldn't want to be on the wrong end of it" non conventional weapons I have ever owned or tested is this guy right here. Trust me, you can ruin somebody's day in a hurry. Get the shorter one.

However, and no offense to you personally I feel for you Australians having a government that wants you should suffer and die, I realize you live in socialist hell and something like that might not wash. Alternatives include:

Sports Equipment... cricket or baseball anyone?

A stick of some form... fairly effective instruments can be had in very innocuous looking packages

Hand Tools... I have 22 ounce framing hammer that would cave a man's head in

The other options you already listed are probably your best bet, but given the fact that it's basically illegal for you to stop anyone from trying to murder you or your family, you're going to have to go for subterfuge.

In college my father and his dorm mates got around some restrictions on weapons possession by posing themselves as collectors... Heck I'd join the SCA and use it as an excuse to possess all sorts of stuff. That way you're not interested in illegal self defense, you're just a Ren Fair geek.
 

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OC is out as well.

Most weapons that come under the old style english ren fair category are also prohibitied.

Ill have a look at the sjambok.
 

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Learn to use a bo staff. gives ya a bit of an edge length wise on a knife holder. too bad you live in an oppresive state.
Perhaps the best weapon is to campaign for gun law reform, and try to get your gun rights back.
 

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disko, HUH ???..... You don't want to keep a metal baseball bat next to your bed to defend yourself,your loved ones,and your home,because your affraid that you might kill them?? Why do you suppose that the POS BG's have entered your home in the middle of the night? If your worried about doing too much damage to these kind of pond scum,simply move all your valuables out on the front porch. I (simi) understand the plight of the people in the disarmed countries. I feel sorry for you,but you should still have the very basic rights of self protection. Hey,if your really worried about doing toooooo(??) much damage to the BG,keep all 15-20 of your full swings below the waist.

Funny that you mention the SAP from Boston Leather. As I type this, I have the 4 ply "Denver" in the left rear pocket of my shorts. Ask in another thread or PM me and I will be glad to give you a (mini) review. Basically, for the money their nice.

I understand that it's hard,but stay safe. -------
 

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Boy, I knew it was bad down there, I just didn't realize how bad. It sounds like someone wrote your current laws to read, "if attacked lie down and die".
 

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Personally, I'd go with the machete. However, if you're trying to stay away from "weapons" I would try to stick with something that has other "innocent" uses, like the baseball/cricket bat. There have been other good suggestions also (sjambok, hammer, etc.). As RSSZ said, it's tough when you live under a crappy government (what else do you call one that denies their citizens the tools to protect themselves?) but you have to remember that in a situation like this, you are fighting for your life. Concerns about the legal aftermath should be secondary to making sure you're the one that's still in one piece after the dust settles.
If you're not considering a knife due to concerns about having to be too close, that would also rule out the sap. That said, I'm a big fan of both knives and saps/blackjacks. In fact, it's my opinion that a solid strike with a sap/jack will be more "instantly incapacitating" than a cut/thrust to the same target with a knife.

Whatever you choose, make sure to practice with it so you'll be comfortable using it if it ever becomes necessary.
 

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My thought would be go with a cane or,even longer, a longer walking stick (Chinese waxwood is supposed to be fairly indestructible). Maybe some martial arts classes for training? Some thought should be put into how your house is laid out. Might not want to go too long if your house is small or has a lot of corners.
Something to keep the BG at a distance is probably your best bet in case he has any sort of weapon himself.
 

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You mentioned a "Battle Axe" so why not do this http://www.coldsteel.com/88kwarser.html and when you contfron the BG say in a clear and loud voice: I am Duncan Macleod of the CLAN Macleod! In the END......There can be ONLY.....ONE!! and see if he runs.....if not take his head and his quickening!

That's choice #1

Choice #2 is a little more practical and far less theatrical: Become the weapon. Take up a good martial art. I like Aikido because there is very little chance of accidentally killing and it leaves virtually no marks while causing EXTREME pain and it's not hard to get into. No punches, kicks or "kata" to memorize. Just make sure your muscles and ligaments are properly loose before a workout.
 

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Man, I feel very sorry for you and your mates there down under. What a horror show. You might as well go outside and find yourself a cuole of big rocks and place them under your bed. If someone breaks in you can throw them at the intruder!

What about something in a good size fixed-blade fighting knife? That and some training in knife-fighting techniques could go a long way against an attacker...
 

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With the anti-self defense attitude that the "crown" has down there, I would worry about having a weapon designed for war as my defense weapon. The blessing is have something that in its own right has a tool use that can immediatly be turned into a weapon. The Okinawan's when Japan took over turned to the bo, sichle, and tonfa (I am sure the spelling is off) to ward off attackers, and now we have the weapons of Okinawan Kimpo. So an innocent ball bat, heavy duty kitchen knife, powerful flashlight (to blind there is non better than Surefire) and maybe even a camp axe. All are not weapons of war, but work berry berry effectivly when called upon, and dont allow for the "crown" to make you out to be some nut preparing for the "opertunity" to kill/maim someone. Makes me glad to be an American when in most of our country defending yourself is still not only legal but expected.
 
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