Homeland Security Demands “Obedience” in Message to Agents

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ANGLICO

Discussion Starter · Mar 30, 2013

Homeland Security Demands “Obedience” in Message to Agents
TheNewAmerican,com
Written by Alex Newman, Thursday, 28 March 2013

My Comments: I cannot remember how many times I have take the 'Oath'. I have never untaken the same 'Oath'. Amen. For those of you LEO and FEDS, be aware that we will not support you when you cross that little line. You live amungst us and we know who you are. You shoud, or might want to questinon you masters.

.....The word “obedience” was defined on the official TV screens as: “quickly and cheerfully carrying out the direction of those who are responsible for me.”

Homeland Security Demands ?Obedience? in Message to Agents

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Bad Bob

· #2 · Mar 30, 2013

You should be careful about throwing threats around. That is one article. You obviously do not know anything about the people you speak thusly of.

The majority of LEO's at every level are loyal AMERICANS. Every time I took the Oath it was the same, I don't know what you are talking about.

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ANGLICO

Discussion Starter · #3 · Mar 30, 2013

40Bob said:
You should be careful about throwing threats around. That is one article. You obviously do not know anything about the people you speak thusly of.

The majority of LEO's at every level are loyal AMERICANS.

I very much appreciate your input. No Threats Intended. Word! It is what it is! Did you take an oath? Did you mean it when you took it? Or did you just worry about your pay check?

I was mearly just stating an opinion, not a threat. You are implying that there is a threat. You can deal with that. I do not have to.

Bad Bob

· #4 · Mar 30, 2013

ANGLICO said:
Appreciate you input. No Threats Intended. Word! It is what it is! Did you take an oath? Did you mean it when you took it? Or did you just worry about your pay check?

I am retired, and yes I meant it.

For those of you LEO and FEDS, be aware that we will not support you when you cross that little line. You live amungst us and we know who you are.

That, to me sounds like a threat.

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ANGLICO

Discussion Starter · #5 · Mar 30, 2013

40Bob said:
I am retired, and yes I meant it.

That, to me sounds like a threat.

I respect your 'opinion' sir.

Bad Bob

· #6 · Mar 30, 2013

ANGLICO said:
I respect your 'opinion' sir.

Don't call me that..... I work for a living.:smile:

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ANGLICO

Discussion Starter · #7 · Mar 30, 2013

right back at ya! :danceban::danceban:

Best to you. No Disrespect intended in the above posts!

Edit add: I was only trying to point out that if 'you' cross that line, 'you' are no longer legitimite. Word! And after 'you' cross that line, you will be subjected to the same 'un-special' rules that us other law abiding Citizens need to navigate to stay out of jail.

It is what it is. The Hippies of the 60's run our Executive Branch now......

To quote Rodney King - 'Cant we all just get along'. Yeah, he is a great spokseman for the Progressive Left.

ANGLICO

Discussion Starter · #8 · Mar 30, 2013

Since I was accuse of offering a threat, which I did not........... I was offering factual based obersvations.

Either you follow the Constitution, or you do not. Granted there are a lot of views here. If you are LEO or a Fed, you need to question your masters.

That was my point.

mkh

· #9 · Mar 30, 2013

What ever happened to common sense in government.

God help us.

Badey

· #10 · Mar 30, 2013

ANGLICO said:
Since I was accuse of offering a threat, which I did not........... I was offering factual based obersvations.

Either you follow the Constitution, or you do not. Granted there are a lot of views here. If you are LEO or a Fed, you need to question your masters.

That was my point.

I didn't see any threats anywhere... some people are just a bit oversensitive sometimes.

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Mike1956

· #11 · Mar 30, 2013

Most bureaucracies value compliance much more than intellect.

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Harryball

· #12 · Mar 30, 2013

40Bob said:
You should be careful about throwing threats around. That is one article. You obviously do not know anything about the people you speak thusly of.

The majority of LEO's at every level are loyal AMERICANS. Every time I took the Oath it was the same, I don't know what you are talking about.

Your generation of LEO took that oath serious. However, the newer generation will be obedient to there master. We both know that they are easily mislead.

As for the threat, IMO I think that all government employees should be held to the fire. Thats what I took away from it...

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shadowwalker

· #13 · Mar 30, 2013

What about when the new Constitution comes up on the agenda, for me there is no new Constitution I stand by the old one and this old dog does not need new tricks but I have seen so many over the past few years turn there backs because they dont have time to stay informed. I have talked to a lot of my old LEO friends and we agree that if they want our pensions the can have them, the ones I know say what I say I will not bow down even though I use a cane most of the time. It seems we have the foreign enemies and traitors at hand. God Bless America is where I stand and there are a bunch of us old guys shoulder to shoulder that will hold our heads high. Sorry about the soap box this is just a old man venting thanks for the space

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nathanjns

· #14 · Mar 30, 2013

The danger here is not what the OP posted ( I would have expressed myself differently but I think I understand what he is saying. ). The danger lies with the entity demanding obedience. The questions that come to my mind are "Obedience to what?" or "Obedience or what?". I have an uneasy feeling that obedience to the Constitution or to the laws of the land is not what is being demanded. I believe that obedience to absolute authority is the intent. To me that implies a preference for officers who are willing to fore-go any differentiation between right or wrong; and just follow orders. That should be enough to alarm anyone.

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Dougb

· #15 · Mar 30, 2013

I think you will find that any employer wants cheerful and rapid responses to directions. That would be what they pay you do. You take the mans money, you do the job the way he wants. This may be a be a non issue.

OD*

· #16 · Mar 30, 2013

Mike1956 said:
Most bureaucracies value compliance much more than intellect.

It seems that most bureaucracies are based on the "Peter Principal."

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nathanjns

· #17 · Mar 30, 2013

Dougb said:
I think you will find that any employer wants cheerful and rapid responses to directions. That would be what they pay you do. You take the mans money, you do the job the way he wants. This may be a be a non issue.

I've never had an employer use the term "obedience" to solicit that response. But it may have just been a Freudian slip!

mg27

· #18 · Mar 30, 2013

If anyone follows unlawful commands they are traitors and deserve resistance. I would hope that real American law enforcement will stand down and not follow unlawful orders. Of course you will always have some power hungry cowards that are out there and will do what they are told (katrina) If we allow it, we deserve what we get.

Doghandler

· #19 · Mar 30, 2013

Excellence in team leadership will be rewarded with excellence in team performance. I learned this in the Boy Scouts and from my Little League coach when I was a child.

Works on dogs too.

Hopyard

· #20 · Mar 30, 2013

Folks, here is a basic reality which applies to all in the employment world,
whether public or private.

You have taken a job. Do it. If you can not do it for any reason, quit.
If it is clearly unlawful (e.g., an accountant asked to cook the books) go to the law.

If you work for Uncle and feel that you have been asked to do something unlawful, either go to your 2nd and 3rd line
supervisors, or call OSC, and the IG. [The numbers should be prominently displayed where you work.] If need be,
quit. But, don't get it in your mind that you have some right to behave in an insubordinate manner.

As an employee (anywhere) you don't get to choose which task you have been assigned meets with your approval.

No employer, government or civilian, is going to tolerate insubordination, nor should they.
I wouldn't doubt if that memo, assuming it is even real-- something I sort of doubt-- was necessitated by the sort
of loose talk of willful disobedience we repeatedly see here and elsewhere in the blogosphere.

When you are employed by Uncle you receive directives and reminders on a fairly regular basis. There is nothing
wrong with a reminder that you are obligated to do your job.

If you are not in the military you have a choice. It is the same choice every other working person has.
"Take this job and shove it."

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