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Alright I've touched on this subject some in my other posts and got s few responses but feel like those questions get lost in the main question of those posts, so I'm gonna make one final and dedicated post to rail tactical lights then I swear I will never ever again mention rail lights on this forum so please bare with me here one last time one last post. Anyone can answer however I'd really like to hear from the more everyday conceal carry people who are just normal civilians and not people who carry for law enforcement, guard, military purposes. I'm wanting to know just from the average Joe's who conceal carry daily for self defense reasons. Questions:


1) for those of you who conceal carry with tactical rail lights how often do you seriously need them and use them?

2) for those of you who do NOT have any kind of rail mounted tactical light how often have you been in a situation where you wish you had a rail light?



I'm trying to decide if a rail tactical light is like a condom, I'd rather have one and not need it than need it and not have one, or if it's a silly way to spend $80-100 when you could put that toward a gun, holster, ammo, cleaning supplies, etc, etc, etc.
 

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You'll never need it till you need it.
Up to you really.
In my case it makes no sense not to have it since it makes no difference what so ever to the size, weight or accessibility.

 

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Question 1 doesn't apply to me, since I never use WMLs on my carry guns.

Question 2 is a loud and resounding no. There have been several incidents in which I have been very glad that I had a tac light in my hand instead of hanging from my gun. My flashlight will do everything a WML will do for me, plus quite a few other things.
 

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For LEO and military a light makes total sense. For civilian carry or even home defense I think its an absurd gimmick used to make money for "Tacticool" products. Having to muzzle everything just to see what it is is not smart under stress. Learn to use a flashlight separate from your gun (many advantages) if need be its much more tactical for the civilian who needs to identify a potential target.
 

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For LEO and military a light makes total sense. For civilian carry or even home defense I think its an absurd gimmick used to make money for "Tacticool" products. Having to muzzle everything just to see what it is is not smart under stress. Learn to use a flashlight separate from your gun (many advantages) if need be its much more tactical for the civilian who needs to identify a potential target.
You don't need to muzzle anybody nor anything to see what's around with gun light.
Falloff even on that tiny TLR-6 lights up entire room when pointed at the ground.
Checked outside too. Good enough without pointing at anything.
Plus I'm not a great one hand shooter so having to deal with the extra probability of muzzle dancing while firing consecutive shots is a danger to everybody around me.
 

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I see it like this: having the tools I need when my life is on the line is a priceless advantage. My primary carry gun is a Glock 26 and it wears a Streamlight TLR-6. Other guns in my carry rotation will be getting lights as my budget allows. In many instances, a light will not affect a guns concealability to the point where it cannot be concealed. Weapon mounted lights also place more weight toward the front of the gun which reduces muzzle flip and allows for faster follow up shots. Of course, a weapon mounted light is no substitute for a handheld light which is why I carry one of those too.
 

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My carry gun (Kahr CM-9) doesn't have rails so it's a mute point for me.

I do have a WML ( Streamlight TLR-1) for my bedside gun and my AR.
 

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As a former LE and private Joe, I can say with absolute certainty that I have never had the need for it.

I have always preferred a flashlight over a WML, and even now, I carry a Fenix E12 in my off side pocket, which is used for many things.
 
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Well where I'm at right now I have a Glock 23 and a Smith and Wesson 6906 for normal carry and a small tiny pocket size Taurus .380 for pocket carry when the 23 or 6906 can't be concealed easy due to wardrobe or various other reasons. So if I got a light which I'd use the trl-1 if I use a light and it would be on an already not big but not small gun either. Holster options for g23 with light seem more limited as well. Just trying to decide where best to spend my not limited but also far far from limitless budget.
 

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As a former LE and private Joe, I can say with absolute certainty that I have never had the need for it.

I have always preferred a flashlight over a WML, and even now, I carry a Fenix E12 in my off side pocket, which is used for many things.
Did you ever had a situation where you were shooting/identifying attackers at night in a closed dark environment? (excluding when you are a awesome and confident one handed marksman of course)
I really hope not and if NOT then isn't carrying in the same category?
I got it & hope I never have to use it but it's there in case I need it which is basically what most (I suppose) EDC people go by?
 

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2) for those of you who do NOT have any kind of rail mounted tactical light how often have you been in a situation where you wish you had a rail light?
Never had and probably never will have a weapon mounted light. I keep the light separate so I can sweep with the light, not the muzzle of the gun. Lights and lasers also make holster choices much slimmer. I have never, so far, ever felt I was in need of a weapon mounted light.

What if you only needed the light and not the gun? If you had the tactical carry light you could use it and not have to draw your weapon to have light.


I'm trying to decide if a rail tactical light is like a condom, I'd rather have one and not need it than need it and not have one, or if it's a silly way to spend $80-100 when you could put that toward a gun, holster, ammo, cleaning supplies, etc, etc, etc.
A light is like a condom; Better to have it than not. A weapon mounted light is purely up to you.
 
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1) When you need a light, you REALLY need a light
2) Its better to have a light, and not need it, then to need it, and not have it
3) Flashlights get misplaced, dropped, lost, left at home.
4) If you always carry your gun, and you have a flashlight mounted to it, well then, you always have a tactical light on you, without fail.

Pretty simple really. It comes down to preparedness. How prepared do you like to be? Some people are comfortable with a 5 shot revolver and no reload. Others prefer a Glock 17, 2 spare mags, a weapon light, a handheld light, pepper spray, fighting knife, folding knife, etc. The guy with more "stuff" is more prepared. But is he paranoid? Or is he just prepared?
 

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Did you ever had a situation where you were shooting/identifying attackers at night in a closed dark environment? (excluding when you are a awesome and confident one handed marksman of course)
I really hope not and if NOT then isn't carrying in the same category?
I got it & hope I never have to use it but it's there in case I need it which is basically what most (I suppose) EDC people go by?
I answered the question as it was posed, according to what my experience has been.

I don't really feel the need to try to sway anyone's opinion on the matter one way or the other.
Ive got mine, it's up to everyone else to get theirs.
 

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(excluding when you are a awesome and confident one handed marksman of course)
I really hope not
Is it called a handgun or a "hands" gun? Lol
 

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My four D-cell Maglite is way too heavy to hang on my G30.
 

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Weapon mounted lights are excellent in some VERY limited circumstances. If I only plan to have one light, it would most certainly be a handheld due to versatility. I have no intention to point a firearm at anything and everything I need to look at in the dark.
 

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I keep a light by the bedside table. And, I always carry a light during the day. But, I subscribe to the theory that flashlights are simply expensive tubes to carry dead batteries in.
 

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I have a TRL 1 on my HD pistol along with a hand held light in the pistol safe. Primary reason is that I walk with a cane and have one hand occupied. Just makes it easier to light up the night.

My carry guns do not wear lights, but I always have a light on my person.

IMHO it falls to personal preference and situation. Do a little hands on research with both before you make up your mind. If you're like me, spending money for top of the line just to find out its not going to do what I want is not an option.

When I was looking at a WML I picked up a $20 WallyWorld one just to see if it would work for me. Then I spent the money on a TRL 1 once I decided it worked. The cheap one now resides on a shotgun dedicated to coyote hunting. Not willing to stake my life on WallyWorld's knock off.
 

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Hones opinion on rail lights for concealed carry

If it's a concern, go out in the dark and practice to figure it out.

Personally, I have both WML and hand held flashlights. They both have their benefits. It's entirely possible to use a WML to get around in the dark and not flag anyone, as long as the light isn't just a pencil beam.

Having fired at night with flashlights and WMLs, I find it much easier to shoot accurately with a WML. Trying to aim both a flashlight and a pistol, quickly, in the dark, while trying to use night sights... takes practice. Using just a WML takes less practice and is more similar to daytime shooting. I'm sure there are some here skilled at flashlight shooting techniques; I'm not.

ETA: my reason to practice after dark was frequent camping and hiking trips, where I carried revolvers. My WMLs stay at home on purposely placed guns. I found using a flashlight and long DA revolvers isn't easy; SA was worth manually cocking the hammer for. Also, if using a handheld be sure to use a flood setting so you don't have to try as hard to aim the flashlight while pulling a trigger. YMMV.
 
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