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I've generally been neutral on guns most of my life. I grew up around, and shooting, firearms when I was younger, but tended to distance myself from them. I was always more interested in developing technologies, science clubs, math clubs, and most things nerd-like. Guns were neat, the physics behind them are amazing, but it just wasn't my thing.

As I grew older, I grew farther away from the use of guns. I associated them predominately with killing, a trend that current media seems to propagate, and failed to recognize any positives from their true existence. I acknowledged that some used them for sport, that hunting is a method of sustaining a family for some, and that predators such as wolves and coyotes need to be taken care of. Outside of that, I couldn't fathom why anyone in their right mind would want to wander about with a tool, built purely for the purpose of killing, strapped to their hip.

On June 12th, my fears were affirmed. My disposition on guns was left completely validated. I was angry. I saw two of my friends killed in the Pulse nightclub. They weren't gay, and they weren't latino. They were, however, American. They went that night to support a friend of theirs, who had recently come to terms with her sexuality. Their loss was at the hands of a madman. Terrorism struck 25 minutes from my house.

I became angry. I began to shift farther to the left, and I began to justify the meaninglessness of the 2nd amendment. I justified, in my head, how technology had changed the need, effectiveness, and use of guns in our nation. No longer do you have to ride on horseback for three hours to get to a town 15 minutes away by car. So why do we still have these clearly primitive, useless tools of destruction? Guns, most assuredly, were the problem. They were the cause of all of the chaos in the world, and recently, in my life.

A week later, my parents called me. Being in my mid-twenties, they're still very active in my life, which I generally appreciate. They're very conservative, and my step-father has a sizable gun collection. Turns out, they had purchased me a gun. It was waiting at a local FFL for me to sign the paperwork. I didn't want it. So, I hatched a plan. I went to fill out the paperwork, and was told I needed to wait three days (Florida law), before I could pick it up. I settled on finding a buyer for the gun, and I wouldn't have it long. It's a cheap gun, a SCCY, but I figured I could take my wife out to a nice dinner. But I'd be damned if I was going to let it stay in my house for long.

I went to the range three days later to pick up the gun. The salesman offered to teach me the basics of shooting, something they do with every gun they sell or transfer. I politely declined. I wanted to keep the gun "out of box new," but he insisted. He even threw in two boxes of ammo so I could get comfortable with it. He was a genuinely kind fellow, and we talked about more than just guns - that surprised me. I thought gun owners were gun nuts. I thought the craze of gun ownership was a requisite if you owned one, just ask any one of a dozen media networks.

So we fired, he helped me sight the gun in, and went through a hundred rounds in about an hour. It was fun, mostly thanks to his company, but I was still turned off to the ownership of a gun. I would spend the next few weeks seeking a buyer.

One month and two days later, on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean, more than 80 innocent civilians would lose their lives in a blatant, tragic, and merciless attack. One lone wolf would destroy the lives of countless families. Mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, infants, indiscriminate. The attack would be over in under ten minutes, a minuscule fraction of the time that it took the Pulse attack to end. The lone wolf never fired a gunshot. Instead, he used a box truck to kill nearly a hundred innocent people, celebrating their countries independence. It was another tragic attack, but this one was different.

We're used to hearing about guns and explosives in these attacks. It's almost a given that any attack on civilians would be the result of a gun. Yet, here, for the first time I can recall in my adult life, a terror attack was efficiently carried out without a single gunshot fired by the assailant. It didn't make sense. I should mention here that I've studied the french language and culture for more than 8 years. I've visited France, and I have photos from the same promenade that the attack occurred on. Again, this struck me close to home.

I've been told over and over that guns are the problem. I'd believed it. I was a sheep in the heard, blindly following the wolves into the cave. My trust was naive, complaint, and ignorant. This one event began to unravel all of that. There was no gun. There was no lead flying out of the "dangerous assault rifle." There was no picture of bullet holes anywhere but into the cab of the truck. And yet, we don't see that on the six o'clock news. We don't hear about how "truck regulation" will save innocent American lives from these kinds of attacks. Because the problem isn't the truck, and the problem isn't the gun.

Two days later I began training. I took my first gun safety course since I was a child, and shortly after I took my first tactical training class. I applied for my Florida CCW Permit on the 4th of this month, and I've joined the NRA. I did this because I began to study. I looked outside of the traditional methods of mass communication to the public. I've begun to understand the impact that gun ownership really has. I've acknowledge my previous held beliefs are wrong.

If you ask me today, yes, I'm still a liberal. I still hold liberal beliefs on a wide range of topics. Just leave my second amendment alone. I'm inside the halls of the liberal establishment, sitting at the outcast table in the lunchroom. I'm one of them, but I'm not with them -- not on this. I was lied to.

As a community, it comes to us to responsibly understand why others are afraid. We can't fight fear with facts. Facts aren't relatable. They don't carry emotion. They don't reach out, and are quickly dismissible. But we can act responsibly. We can see something and say something. We can seek to patrol our community from the inside out. We can get our depressed friend, who just lost his wife in an accident, the help he needs. Perhaps we can offer safe harbor for his weapons until he feels ready to face the world again, so his kids don't grow up without a father. We can raise the alarm to local authorities on that one fellow who keeps asking all of the wrong questions down at the range. We can act, and responsibly change public opinion.

It's the beginning of a journey, and there's a lot to learn. But the prospect of what this change of mind has opened up to me is exciting. I will work responsibly to change public opinion. I will work to help others. I will enjoy the sport and all it affords me.

I was wrong. And yes, I'm a Democrat.

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Nice post ..As long as your ok with any gun being ok to own by any good citizen ditto for the mags you are welcome ..Please dont be one the fuds who has one gun but does not think we should own AR or 30 round mags ..It is a all or nothing deal with the 2a you support it or dont .

And I am happy to hear you have come around ..I too learn very libertarian in views ..But very strongly support the 2a ..Please look at the GOA and other groups to support ..The GOA have done more on a state scale then the NRA ..They are ones who fought for DC and PR for there 2A rights not the NRA

I am happy that nice man taught you the right way!

Really when you see the thin sheet of civilization torn away and realize the horror people can do with no law or order or with evil in there hearts and how long it can take for police etc ( it can 30 min or more ) then you see why guns are on the up and up



I am happy you saw the light

And I am sorry for your lost ..This can be a sick world at times
 

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Nice post ..As long as your ok with any gun being ok to own by any good citizen ditto for the mags you are welcome ..Please dont be one the fuds who has one gun but does not think we should own AR or 30 round mags ..It is a all or nothing deal with the 2a you support it or dont .
I was honestly reading on rifles last night. I think I'm saving for an M&P 15 Sport II for my bug-out bag. One round or 30 doesn't make a difference in my head, at least not any longer. If there is a will to cause destruction, there will be a way. The Niece attack proved that.

Thank you for your condolences, and I will look into the GOA.
 

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I was honestly reading on rifles last night. I think I'm saving for an M&P 15 Sport II for my bug-out bag. One round or 30 doesn't make a difference in my head, at least not any longer. If there is a will to cause destruction, there will be a way. The Niece attack proved that.

Thank you for your condolences, and I will look into the GOA.
Thank you for getting that ..You will like the m&p sport 2 very good well made gun ..Esp with nov it would be good to get a nice AR or AK in hand for then.

Pretty soon I see a overflowing safe and boxs of holster in your future ..Dont worry its a good thing ..

I started with a 22lr taurus wheel gun and a single shot rifle ..And now I am getting CLASS3 stuff ..So
 
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Don't worry, what you are feeling is natural, a human exercising their innate inherent ability for self preservation.

You are just taking it to the level it needs to be. That need for self preservation, looking at the environment we are in, this is prudent and wise to carry a weapon for self defense.

I'm not worried about you, but all those other sheep that are still blind.


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You have obviously put a lot of thought into what you have written . And , you have written it well . As you mature in this enlightenment I'd wager that you develop a larger sense of community and personal responsibility . The basic concepts of both religion and politics are simply rules for mankind to live together in harmony . Greed and self aggrandizement of individuals is what has corrupted both . Thinking individuals are the check and balance for this corruption . Lead by example .
 

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I've generally been neutral on guns most of my life. I grew up around, and shooting, firearms when I was younger, but tended to distance myself from them. I was always more interested in developing technologies, science clubs, math clubs, and most things nerd-like. Guns were neat, the physics behind them are amazing, but it just wasn't my thing.

As I grew older, I grew farther away from the use of guns. I associated them predominately with killing, a trend that current media seems to propagate, and failed to recognize any positives from their true existence. I acknowledged that some used them for sport, that hunting is a method of sustaining a family for some, and that predators such as wolves and coyotes need to be taken care of. Outside of that, I couldn't fathom why anyone in their right mind would want to wander about with a tool, built purely for the purpose of killing, strapped to their hip.

On June 12th, my fears were affirmed. My disposition on guns was left completely validated. I was angry. I saw two of my friends killed in the Pulse nightclub. They weren't gay, and they weren't latino. They were, however, American. They went that night to support a friend of theirs, who had recently come to terms with her sexuality. Their loss was at the hands of a madman. Terrorism struck 25 minutes from my house.

I became angry. I began to shift farther to the left, and I began to justify the meaninglessness of the 2nd amendment. I justified, in my head, how technology had changed the need, effectiveness, and use of guns in our nation. No longer do you have to ride on horseback for three hours to get to a town 15 minutes away by car. So why do we still have these clearly primitive, useless tools of destruction? Guns, most assuredly, were the problem. They were the cause of all of the chaos in the world, and recently, in my life.

A week later, my parents called me. Being in my mid-twenties, they're still very active in my life, which I generally appreciate. They're very conservative, and my step-father has a sizable gun collection. Turns out, they had purchased me a gun. It was waiting at a local FFL for me to sign the paperwork. I didn't want it. So, I hatched a plan. I went to fill out the paperwork, and was told I needed to wait three days (Florida law), before I could pick it up. I settled on finding a buyer for the gun, and I wouldn't have it long. It's a cheap gun, a SCCY, but I figured I could take my wife out to a nice dinner. But I'd be damned if I was going to let it stay in my house for long.

I went to the range three days later to pick up the gun. The salesman offered to teach me the basics of shooting, something they do with every gun they sell or transfer. I politely declined. I wanted to keep the gun "out of box new," but he insisted. He even threw in two boxes of ammo so I could get comfortable with it. He was a genuinely kind fellow, and we talked about more than just guns - that surprised me. I thought gun owners were gun nuts. I thought the craze of gun ownership was a requisite if you owned one, just ask any one of a dozen media networks.

So we fired, he helped me sight the gun in, and went through a hundred rounds in about an hour. It was fun, mostly thanks to his company, but I was still turned off to the ownership of a gun. I would spend the next few weeks seeking a buyer.

One month and two days later, on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean, more than 80 innocent civilians would lose their lives in a blatant, tragic, and merciless attack. One lone wolf would destroy the lives of countless families. Mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, infants, indiscriminate. The attack would be over in under ten minutes, a minuscule fraction of the time that it took the Pulse attack to end. The lone wolf never fired a gunshot. Instead, he used a box truck to kill nearly a hundred innocent people, celebrating their countries independence. It was another tragic attack, but this one was different.

We're used to hearing about guns and explosives in these attacks. It's almost a given that any attack on civilians would be the result of a gun. Yet, here, for the first time I can recall in my adult life, a terror attack was efficiently carried out without a single gunshot fired by the assailant. It didn't make sense. I should mention here that I've studied the french language and culture for more than 8 years. I've visited France, and I have photos from the same promenade that the attack occurred on. Again, this struck me close to home.

I've been told over and over that guns are the problem. I'd believed it. I was a sheep in the heard, blindly following the wolves into the cave. My trust was naive, complaint, and ignorant. This one event began to unravel all of that. There was no gun. There was no lead flying out of the "dangerous assault rifle." There was no picture of bullet holes anywhere but into the cab of the truck. And yet, we don't see that on the six o'clock news. We don't hear about how "truck regulation" will save innocent American lives from these kinds of attacks. Because the problem isn't the truck, and the problem isn't the gun.

Two days later I began training. I took my first gun safety course since I was a child, and shortly after I took my first tactical training class. I applied for my Florida CCW Permit on the 4th of this month, and I've joined the NRA. I did this because I began to study. I looked outside of the traditional methods of mass communication to the public. I've begun to understand the impact that gun ownership really has. I've acknowledge my previous held beliefs are wrong.

If you ask me today, yes, I'm still a liberal. I still hold liberal beliefs on a wide range of topics. Just leave my second amendment alone. I'm inside the halls of the liberal establishment, sitting at the outcast table in the lunchroom. I'm one of them, but I'm not with them -- not on this. I was lied to.

As a community, it comes to us to responsibly understand why others are afraid. We can't fight fear with facts. Facts aren't relatable. They don't carry emotion. They don't reach out, and are quickly dismissible. But we can act responsibly. We can see something and say something. We can seek to patrol our community from the inside out. We can get our depressed friend, who just lost his wife in an accident, the help he needs. Perhaps we can offer safe harbor for his weapons until he feels ready to face the world again, so his kids don't grow up without a father. We can raise the alarm to local authorities on that one fellow who keeps asking all of the wrong questions down at the range. We can act, and responsibly change public opinion.

It's the beginning of a journey, and there's a lot to learn. But the prospect of what this change of mind has opened up to me is exciting. I will work responsibly to change public opinion. I will work to help others. I will enjoy the sport and all it affords me.

I was wrong. And yes, I'm a Democrat.

FloidaPilot

Welcome to the 2A club,Please Always Carry,Never Tell. Yes,Your life does depend on it and that of your Family. Pulse was an eye opener to many as the Muslims just Hate the LGBT group and will do Anything to kill them and whoever is with them,Gay or Not. I live here in Orlando and was shocked that Nobody had any kind of weapon to fight back with,it was a slaughter. I and my Wife have always trained for that kind of incident wherever we may be as you never know anymore. As you are a Democrat my advice is Not to Vote for them as they have every intention to Disarm America and ignore the "Shall Not Infringe" part of it. Please continue with your Training and advocate others to do so too. Good Luck!.
 

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Enlightenment to reality can be liberating, congratulations.
 

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There is a saying that Anti's are just people that haven't been mugged yet! I'm sorry you seem to have been mugged twice in such a short time. I'm glad you have seemed to turn that into a new self aware you.
My youngest two sons are still in their twenties, They are active, go to nightclubs, hang out in crowds, etc... I worry about them like your parents do. I'm happy to say they also get that they are responsible for their own safety. Good Luck DR
 

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Pulse was an eye opener to many as the Muslims just Hate the LGBT group and will do Anything to kill them and whoever is with them,Gay or Not... I live here in Orlando and was shocked that Nobody had any kind of weapon to fight back with,it was a slaughter. Good Luck!.
Thank you for the comment. I hope, though, that your views are limited to extremists. I think that's the one thing that's genuinely missing in todays dialogue. It's not just muslims. Several members of my Catholic Parish are visibly enraged by homosexuality. History is filled with all sorts of Christian extremist groups, from the Lords Resistance Army and KKK, to the Antibalaka of Africa and the National Liberation Front of Tripura. Just as Guns aren't the problem, neither is religion. Religion, when used for what it is, brings people together. This includes Islam.

Also, in the state of Florida, it is illegal to carry a weapon into a bar or nightclub. One of the bouncers at the club, as I understand, was armed. I'm not sure what happened with that...
 

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Thank you for the comment. I hope, though, that your views are limited to extremists. I think that's the one thing that's genuinely missing in todays dialogue. It's not just muslims. Several members of my Catholic Parish are visibly enraged by homosexuality.
News flash. They're gay. Check their browser history if you have doubts. :wink:
 

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Similar experience except mine was first person. I was robbed at knife point. Not going to happen again. Socially I'm a Democrat. Fiscally and second amendment I'm a right winger. We need a party for moderates ??? Not sure where we will find it. Need one for liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats.

Common thread, self responsibility, not relying on the cops to get there on time (hahahahahhah, ain't gonna happen).

I do always smile with some agreement when I see Winston Churchill's comment, If you're young and not liberal you have no heart. If you are old and not a conservative you have no brain". Not a perfect quote but pretty close. As we age we wonder how our grandchildren will pay for today's excesses.

Anyway welcome to a self reliant world. Very pleased to see you have already started down the road of training. That is as big a step as getting the gun. Best of luck to you sir.
 

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I saw two of my friends killed in the Pulse nightclub ...

on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean, more than 80 innocent civilians would lose their lives in a blatant, tragic, and merciless attack ...

Yet, here, for the first time I can recall in my adult life, a terror attack was efficiently carried out without a single gunshot fired by the assailant ...

I was wrong. And yes, I'm a Democrat.

The 9/11 events were efficiently carried out without a single gunshot fired by the assailants. Same for the Oklahoma City bombing. The pressure cooker bombs at the Boston Marathon may not have been very efficient, but definitely got everyone's attention.

The Unibomber, the Boston Strangler, Richard Speck, John Wayne Gacy, Ted Bundy, and especially Jack the Ripper were efficient without firearms.

Basically, anyone labeled a "suicide bomber" doesn't use a gun.

Evil is always there, but it does not always carry a gun.


O'Brian from the Inner Party said:
In the past, also, war was one of the main instruments by which human societies were kept in touch with physical reality. All rulers in all ages have tried to impose a false view of the world upon their followers, but they could not afford to encourage any illusion that tended to impair military efficiency ... In philosophy, or religion, or ethics, or politics, two and two might make five, but when one was designing a gun or an aeroplane they had to make four. Inefficient nations were always conquered sooner or later, and the struggle for efficiency was inimical to illusions ... falsification of the kind that is practiced today would have been impossible. War was a sure safeguard of sanity, and so far as the ruling classes were concerned it was probably the most important of all safeguards. While wars could be won or lost, no ruling class could be completely irresponsible.
a gay writer from Breitbart said:
It is the political Left that wants to flood America with violent homophobes and misogynists, not Trump.
Pink Pistols, a pro-gun group for the LGBTQ community, saw a doubling of its membership in the week following the Pulse massacre.

I think FloridaPilot and many from the LGBTQ community are beginning to realize the fiction of Political Correctness and the reality of war.
 

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...And I am happy to hear you have come around ..I too learn very libertarian in views ..But very strongly support the 2a...
WRR, PLEASE do not confuse "liberal" and "libertarian". The vast majority of liberals are anti-gun, while Libertarians are almost universally pro-2A.
 

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Rock and Glock's description - an epiphany - is an highly appropriate one.

No one needs to surrender their moral compass or social ideals to understand that as a human being you have a basic right to defend yourself and those under the mantle of your protection from grievous bodily harm. We can have a separate discussion about the tenets of party politics, but the need and the right to defend your life, and access to the means to do so, are guaranteed by the Constitution to be free from government interference.

Coincidentally, today my wife and I visited a 94 year-old WWII vet who was in the same division as my late father in law, the 96th Infantry. We're of different political stripes, but it struck me - and I said as much - that he and my FIL gave years of their lives and subjected themselves to a murderous enemy in some hellholes halfway around the world to defend our liberty to speak our minds and to hold those different opinions. He emphatically agreed and we both got a little misty-eyed as we realized just how high the stakes were back then. Would that many more today would not take such freedoms for granted.

You're off to a good start, Florida Pilot.
 

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Thank you for the comment. I hope, though, that your views are limited to extremists. I think that's the one thing that's genuinely missing in todays dialogue. It's not just muslims. Several members of my Catholic Parish are visibly enraged by homosexuality. History is filled with all sorts of Christian extremist groups, from the Lords Resistance Army and KKK, to the Antibalaka of Africa and the National Liberation Front of Tripura. Just as Guns aren't the problem, neither is religion. Religion, when used for what it is, brings people together. This includes Islam.

Also, in the state of Florida, it is illegal to carry a weapon into a bar or nightclub. One of the bouncers at the club, as I understand, was armed. I'm not sure what happened with that...
Welcome, Pilot!

I think you will find that this group is a generally welcoming place for your evolution towards the 2nd amendment to come to full flower. Be prepared, though, that a noticeable percentage of us here are of a more conservative mindset, and while political wrangling is forbidden, it will occasionally come up. Just letting you know it's something you will encounter, so you don't get discouraged or feel attacked. It's just the nature of the demographic. Most of the time it will not be personal (personal attacks are also forbidden), and I hope you'll stick around and add some breadth to the discussion. Most folks here that would argue with you on political and cultural issues would do so with enthusiasm, but without any personal hard feelings. I've been in this group for a bit, and I honestly believe that to be true.

Having said that, in the long run you may end up finding that the right of personal defense and the responsibility to defend those in your care (with lethal force if necessary) is not the only thing you've been lied to about...

I would encourage you to continue to seek training and to carry as often as you legally can. Most of us armed citizens will never encounter a need to draw our sidearms. In the event that need were to arise, you might very well be the only one present who is equipped to try and stop something like the Pulse Nightclub attack. Would you give your life to try and stop it? Something to think about (before it happens, not while it's happening).

As an aside, those in the past who called themselves "christians" that have engaged in the types of activities you cite in the quote above were in active opposition to the written teachings of Christianity. They were simply using nominal christianity as a tool for their own ends. Those in the muslim world who are engaged in the types of activities being discussed are going back to the written teachings of Islam, from a more secularized and civilized evolution it had passed through. That is a fundamental difference in relationship between those activities and the associated religions that most modern apologists will gloss over, but it makes all the difference in the world. Equating those diametrically opposed worldviews in the modern age is a position that might bear more thought, study, and critical thinking.

Again, welcome to DC!
 

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Welcome to the fold. Your story of transformation is well written, and should be spread far and wide.
 
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