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I know this might not be right place and the question might seem odd but here it goes

I'm Unemployed right now in michgian and for me to become a LEO in michigan i would need a Associates degree or 37 college credits min..
I have 15 credits and not in criminal justice.
so i reaching out to see if anyone knows a state/city that hires and trains without a degree..or what i can do...




I'm looking at these areas
LEO
Sheriff
Bailiff
Turn key
corrections (maybe)
Border Patrol
TSA

I have no prior Law/Miltary experierence.I would move out of state for something that could turn into a career.

If you know anything let me know.
 

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Don't Give Up!

Try all over Michigan, and every other state that you can get to. Just focus on getting your foot in the door. In WA state, there is Public Safety Testing - Apply with Public Safety Agencies Online and you can test with almost every department in the state at one location and your scores will be sent to them. As far as the other states, I am not sure, but apply everywhere. If you have to, go back to school and get more college credits....but the main thing...DONT GIVE UP!!!

I'm 37, prior military, college credits...and havent been able to get in yet....maybe its because of a little misdemeanor evasion charge from the CHP, but that aint gonna stop me from trying...
 

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Maybe a constables?
Isn't that a LEO?
At this point i'm justs trying to get anything in Law enforcement..
I was thinking Police academy would be done after i get hired,can i get it done before i apply.???
 

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In the famous words of Denny Crane and Allen try the US aux coast guard.
 

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Apply to the Border Patrol, they're hiring all over. However, they do have an age limit so you want to hurry.

Also, the Army is taking people up to 42, I think. You could alway become an MP and then get a civilian LE job when your tour is up. Assuming you could hang through boot camp!:duh:
 

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The easiest way to learn about law enforcement is to rob a bank. You will learn all sorts of things.

Seriously, I am in my 50s. I have a friend who came back to visit from Florida. Used to be in IT. He went to school, applied and was accepted at a local police department as a patrol officer. It can be done. So don't let anyone tell you no. Just keep seeking.
 

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Thank for all the replies,Alot of great advice.
I have looked at a few sites and came across the Phyiscal tests which i'm going to focus on and i'll join my local gym and get a rountine worked out,going to use physical tests as my Goal (i will shoot for doing more then the minimum)

Pull-Ups (no time limit)
8 minimum
12 100%
Sit-Ups (2 minutes)
72 minimum
85 100%
Push-Ups (2 minutes)
48 minimum
60 100%
Treadmill (1 minute)
35 minimum
41 100%
Bend & Twist (1 minute)
48 minimum
60 100%
Squat Thrust (1 minute)
27 minimum
35 100%
Half Mile Run
3:50 minimum
3:00 100%
Job Task Course
2:00 minimum
1:25 100%


I need to hit these first , I got some work to do.

Also will check Leavenworth, Kansas Police Department site and the police academy i think ,thats is going to costs for that one i bet..
thanks again
Keep Helping!~
 

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You're above the age limit for Border Patrol.
 

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You're above the age limit for Border Patrol.
I wasn't sure about that one, I thought he might be. However, as I said, I'm almost positive the Army has raised their limit to 42. If the OP can meet the physical goals he listed, he should be able to make it through basic. At 40, he can still do 20 and retire at 60 with a decent pension and health care for the rest of his life. The money isn't so good to start but it's more than he's making now. Plus, even at 60, with that experience he should be able to find something in LE on the outside when he retires.
 

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I wasn't sure about that one, I thought he might be. However, as I said, I'm almost positive the Army has raised their limit to 42. If the OP can meet the physical goals he listed, he should be able to make it through basic. At 40, he can still do 20 and retire at 60 with a decent pension and health care for the rest of his life. The money isn't so good to start but it's more than he's making now. Plus, even at 60, with that experience he should be able to find something in LE on the outside when he retires.

Yea i missed the age cut off for the Border Patrol.

Is the Army's limit at 42yrs old.
Someone mentioned the Coast guard but age cut off i believe.I will call army recuiter to see age limit.
Thanks


EDIT AGAIN::

Ok I'm going down to recuiter tommorrow will update with what i need to do..
 

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Whatever you do, start getting in shape now. Don't wait for the first day of an academy. Older folks CAN keep up with younger folks, but older folks need more time to recover between workouts, so we can't realistically hope to work our way into shape during the time of attending an academy.

Harris County, Texas, Sheriff's Office, last I heard, had waived most restrictions in an effort to hire more folks to staff the jail. From jailer, to jail deputy, to street deputy, to other assignments, is attainable by someone of virtually any age.

Houston TX PD hires up to age 45, but does require 60 college hours or two years military. HPD does pay cadets while attending the academy.
 

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Ok this is embrassing enough as it is but i'm thinking i'm 40 and i'm 41yrs old ..i don't know how i came up with that but this makes things worsts.
I will fix the title ,sorry for looking like a fool..But i'm not giving up on this.Its on the border of impossible and POSSIBLE.

This is what is happening so far:
Talked to recuiter and explained my age (right age 41yrs old) and he asked neck size and belly size..
Neck 19"
belly 57" ( i wear pants 48" belly over hangs)
Height 6'4"

He said that if i could raise my neck to 21" that my belly measurement requirement would then be 47"


Starting Tommorrow going to my local gym (powerhouse gym) and getting started.
I have p90X and i did it for a month before and it was a killer and i ended up not doing it anymore...but there was some rountines i hated and some i didn't mind.
So i will start doing that but not as extreme as i did before.
Fat shedder is what i going to do ..
So me and the wife are getting a grocery lists together and im figuring out the workout..
right After i talk to Recuiter , I will start.

I'm overweight yes i know..but i still think i can do this..
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I turn 42yrs old "Feb 28,2010" I have till then to have everything done and signed by end of that day (i guess)

What do you guys think, This would be my job to workout and drop the weight.
I really want this,Its like my lasts chance.
 

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Please don't give up...keep on trying.
When I was in the academy, there was a guy who outperform 90% of the younger students, hahahaha including me. He was 50 years young at the time. We have since become good friend. He is still at it, I might add, very good at his new career......

Cheers....
 

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You have a much harder road than most. You must be totally committed to this because it seems that you have not led a healthy lifestyle. Are you sure about this? It's not just about losing weight, it's a complete lifestyle change for you. You are going to be required to fight, engage in ground fighting, etc.

The reason I ask is because I'm older than you but I recently graduated from my police academy, and this was after 23 years in the USAF. I have to admit, it was the hardest thing I've ever done, probably due to age. Even so, I'm able to out run, out fight, out shoot, and out drive some of the kids half my age. And that's only because I've kept in shape due to being off and on the fitness program for most of my career. I'm 43, about to turn 44 this month. It can be done.

I don't want to discourage you, but if you're only now just starting to try to get in shape, it's going to be very difficult for you. Especially if you happen to get accepted and encounter some instructors who might try their best to eliminate you from the academy.
 

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You have a much harder road than most. You must be totally committed to this because it seems that you have not led a healthy lifestyle. Are you sure about this? It's not just about losing weight, it's a complete lifestyle change for you. You are going to be required to fight, engage in ground fighting, etc.

The reason I ask is because I'm older than you but I recently graduated from my police academy, and this was after 23 years in the USAF. I have to admit, it was the hardest thing I've ever done, probably due to age. Even so, I'm able to out run, out fight, out shoot, and out drive some of the kids half my age. And that's only because I've kept in shape due to being off and on the fitness program for most of my career. I'm 43, about to turn 44 this month. It can be done.

I don't want to discourage you, but if you're only now just starting to try to get in shape, it's going to be very difficult for you. Especially if you happen to get accepted and encounter some instructors who might try their best to eliminate you from the academy.
I have not excerised in a long time. but all my jobs have been phyiscal jobs,meaning i have not had a office job ..
i was a welder then a journeymen iron worker.
but yes I'm Sure i want this!

I have NOT had a healthy lifestyle you are correct.

I'am starting today to workout and lose the weight.
I understand what will be required and I KNOW i will be ridiculed for my age and size and i will be pushed.
Also Losing the weight is justs the beginning for me.I want to make my family proud ,serve my country and become the person i should have already been.
What a waste and a shame for what i have done thinking my way (growing up) was the right way and i knew it all.

I Welcome the Change , it won't be easy or given to me.They will have to drag me out if i get in beccause i won't QUIT!

Any advice on a daily diet or what can help me shed pounds.
I'm heading to reuciter to let them tell me what they think after they measure me.
 

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Pick your plan and stick with it. In addition to eating the right foods, eating smaller portions helps. Drink water 10-15 minutes prior to eating to help feel more full. For the first couple of weeks you will be hungry but you will gradually get used to eating less and then won't miss the large portions. For exercies, work in some interval running, or even walking initially. You may feel sore the first month or two but then will begin to feel the benefits. I started a modest program of running and working out beginning four months before I was due to start at the academy and was in reasonable shape when I got there. Despite being one of the older guys in the class, I could easily keep up with most of the "kids." Your attitude sounds good and that could be your most important asset. Give it all you've got since there is nothing to lose. If you don't try, you certainly won't do it. If you try and fail, at least you know you tried and can look for other alternatives. If you try and succeed, you will have achieved your goal.
 

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If I were you, I'd get my butt into shape, brush up on my spanish and start looking south. Florida is well known for not looking the other way and recognizing that older rookies bring a lot to the table the kid right out of school can't. Some of the larger agencies are still actively recruiting.
With that said, there are a lot of people just like yourself that all of a sudden like the security in employment that LE offers. A lot of people competing for not a lot of jobs. Remember that lay offs in LE are very common these days too.

I know more than a few older rookies that are on their second careers. But, each one of them presented themselves well, and are not worn out over weight has beens. In fact, all of them are in excellent shape. Its even more important to be the older you get. Thinking you can wrestle and fight with the punks being out of shape and over 40... you're fooling yourself and will be a danger to yourself and partners. Getting yourself in shape will give you a new lease on life in a number of ways.
 
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