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I'm toying with the idea of carrying my Commander on my right side in a left-handed IWB holster, so the base of the grip faces forward. I have problems concealing with the grip facing rearward because then it jabs me in the back when I sit. I have a very lean build so there isn't a lot of real-estate on my belt for a holster to fit. Experimenting with the gun just stuck into my waistband shows butt-forward to be MUCH more comfortable while seated. I'd like to get some real-world input from the experts here if possible. Thanks. :smile:
 

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I posted about that before under a post called "Strong Side Grip Foward" Everyone stated that is was a bad idea as you had to sweep your body as you draw. Now I have still been thinking about it as it seems it would be easier to acquire a grip on my commander (Iwear at about 5 Oclock) and at that angle it I would most likely be sweeping the ground when unholstering. Of course I would need a left hand holster with about 30-35 deg nevative can't. I have found that SOB carry with my commander is very nice. I wear it so the grip is at 4:30-5 Oclock.

Its all preference, but we'll see what others have to say.
 

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I also am very slim, I am 5-10 & weigh 150 dripping wet. I can easily conceal a full size 1911 IWB on right side @ 3 o clock . Even with just a t shirt not tucked in it is not noticible. Some advice.

Buy a good quality IWB holster, Many good Holster makers on this board.

Buy jeans 1 size to large to ease in concealing the IWB carry

I also buy all shirts one size larger as far as t-shirts or sweatshirts. This makes it so much easier.

I also normally wear either a down vest or a 5.11 vest this greatly eases concealment.

We need to make some changes in our life if we are to carry 24/7 & sometimes fashion has to go... I dont think anyone will be commenting about how i look when the ____ hits the fan. I dont make fashion statements. It is all about what is comfortable

Take Care & Stay Safe
 

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Thanks for the replies guys. The problem here is not an issue of concealment, it's one of comfort. Even with the pistol at 3:00, the grip pokes in all of the wrong places while seated. It's also impossible to draw while seated. My jeans are all an inch too big at the waist and I always wear long, untucked shirts. Gary should have my holster to me by the end of the week, so we'll see how things work with a conventional holster. I still welcome any and all input on the butt-forward carry position.
 

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THis was a popular way to carry "mex" in the 50-60's, and I carried a 1911 that way for several years,, it seems to slide into the side well and tucks in, drawing can be a concern, for those who fail to keep fingers out of trigger guards. As much as I like this style of carry I would say its a big NO!NO! for GLOCKS and their ilk.
 

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im having trouble picturing this form of carry. gotta picture? i carry strong side forward cant. not as cool looking as a jack ass rig, but its very practical and efficient for me.
I can't say for RR, but for me when I carry at the position I carry my hand wants to go for a foward facing grip, its easier to put your fingers twards the body when you draw at the 5 Oclock position, then having to turn your hand when you reach.
 

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Not for me. I feel you would be at a disadvantage for proper control/muzzle sweep if you were up close and personal in a fight. I just wear the pistol with a forward cant and it seems to feel alright. Usually I keep the hoster just behind my hip.
 

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Strong side - 10º - 15º cant.

To be honest I cannot imagine anything approaching a fast and efficient draw with gun reversed - assuming I read this correctly. Other than contemplating a weak hand draw in cross-draw mode.

Not something for me anyways!
 

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Well I just did a bit of an experiment to try the idea out. I used this carry method without a holster and took a quick trip to the store to test it out. I like it! The butt doesn't get in the way when I sit in my car seat, the weight isn't bad at all, even with my worn out old belt, and the draw is pretty fast. I picked up a left handed Uncle Mike's IWB holster and now it's even better. I think the draw works so well for me personally because I have such freakishly long monkey arms with a very short torso. This makes drawing difficult because I need to lean forward to get my hand on the grip. With this backwards carry, all I do is twist my wrist and elbow, grap the grip, then pull up. Once the muzzle is clear, a quick twist out and up and I'm on target. I'll post some pics of the setup once my camera battery is charged, it should make a lot more sense then.
 

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RR - well ya know - as we say so very often - ''if it works for you ....'' :smile:

That really is ever all that matters - and if still safe etc.
 

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Kurt you are not alone, I've seriously considered the identical carry, for similiar reasons. It is perfectly possible to not sweep your own body (or anyone else's) drawing this way, so long as the barrel is pointed down at the ground after you draw, rotating clockwise until you clear 3 o'clock, at which time it comes up just like a "normal" draw.
 

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I think the US Cavalry tried this in the 1800's. I guess it's a personal decision, and if it can be done safely (and quickly) it may be OK. IMHO The firing grip and index finger alignment is made too difficult, the shoulder's rotator cup resists the move, and getting the gun to alignment takes longer.

Some IWB, belt, and paddles can be moved to 2:30 or 3:00 for comfortable sitting, even in bucket auto seats. Sometimes a bit more forward cant will solve the problem. Mitch Rosen has the car-jacking rig used by air marshals that carries just weak side of the buckle and requires minimal crossdraw. The but can be covered with a sweater or vest. Shoulder holsters are too slow and sweeping; I don't allow any in the advanced classes. SOB's are out as well. Imagine falling on that fulcrum or getting cross checked into a wall.

There is no perfect answer, like no perfect gun (except the 1911, see Bruce...and Kimber, see me) and everyone's situation requires their special common sense.
 

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I just can't imagine that you could draw quickly and safely like that.

I carry strong side with a 15º canted holster at 3 o'clock and the gun doesn't poke me or anything (plus your arm assists in concealment).

More important than anything is a good quality holster that supports the gun ... you can't tell too much by sticking the gun in your pants sans holster.

An IWB holster with a good sized piece of leather between you and the gun will probably help.
 

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I also am very slim, I am 5-10 & weigh 150 dripping wet. I can easily conceal a full size 1911 IWB on right side @ 3 o clock . Even with just a t shirt not tucked in it is not noticible. Some advice.
I'm 6'0" 145lbs. A USP in a CTAC at 3:30 is what I wear every day. The cant is set at maximum forward.
 

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Just a thought. If the grip is to long you might want to take a peak at getting a CCO type weapon. Colt and Para make them I know for sure. Thats a Commander length barrel (4.25") and an officers grip. It worked for me when I carried 1911s concealed back in my early years (I was 5'09" and 128#s). Just a thought.
 

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I imagine you have, but have you tried IWB with your carry at the 1:00-1:30 position? I'm 6' 175lbs and find that carrying my XD9 with an extra mag in the front pouch of the Desantis I use seems to be quite comfy at about that position. When I get in my truck, I shift it the slightest buit so that the barrel points more towards the center of the seat and the grip slides back a bit. It sits right in the cubby atop my hip bone and my "love handle". :hand5:

I can image what you mean by the carry you were mentioning. The only thought I would have with it would be the draw from strong side. WIthout some fancy manuevering, you would pretty much be crossing your midsection with a gun that's ready to fire. The act of drawing quickly might get you into a bad situation due to the twisting motion you'de have to make in order to get the gun into action. Think weapon retention too from that draw. You'de be making a lot more movement and it might be tougher to get the gun into a ready position if you were at "bad breath" distance.

Just some thoughts...
 

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Just a thought. If the grip is to long you might want to take a peak at getting a CCO type weapon. Colt and Para make them I know for sure. Thats a Commander length barrel (4.25") and an officers grip. It worked for me when I carried 1911s concealed back in my early years (I was 5'09" and 128#s). Just a thought.
Also the bobbed grips look like they would conceal alot better with a strong side carry.
 
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