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I am still trying to decide which holster to get, so I will have one I like instead of a "Collection" in the drawer!!:embarassed: How practical is the "Tuckable" feature of a CTAC for "tucked under the shirt" wear for white collar, 5 day a week suit & tie CCW??Thanks again, Bill.
 

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As long as you recognize the inherent limitation on your speed of access, it shouldn't be a problem. I would wear a slightly torso-large shirt to have more room to grab-n-pull; a close fitting shirt will hang up on the hip opposite the side you're trying to pull up.
 

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I have a tuckable "hidden ally" from High Noon Holsters. I use it on occasions - only when I really have too. It works okay - just make sure you use a black belt if the clip is back and its still noticable. I use my phone and clip it right next to it to hide the clip. Better than nothing!! You might also try an ankle holster (Galco or Alessi)
 

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I am just thankful I can always enjoy OWB - but do have major reservations as to the actual efficacy of tuckables.
 

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My personal belief is that the whole "tuckable" concept is a gimmick - and a potentially dangerous one at that. Why? First off, you have the inherent lack of access and really slow presentation time. You also have a greatly increased "fumble factor". Finally, it takes two hands to draw. Your other (weak) hand might just be busy fending off an attacker, or herding your wife/child behind cover - you are then faced with a decision - do you protect your spouse/kid by putting them behind cover? Or, do you protect them by drawing your firearm and engaging your opponent? You cannot be doing both at the same time, so you'll have to choose one. This is an unacceptable position to be putting yourself into in the first place.
I know that I can come across as being really opinionated, but I am here to help people survive life and death situations, and the sad fact is that there are a lot of people designing/making/marketing holsters that really do not fully understand what they are doing, or are doing so simply as a business filling a perceived market demand. I've been doing this for well over 20 years, and I am still learning new stuff all the time. The one lesson that keeps coming back to me over and over is to honor the Israeli K.I.S.S. principle - Keep It Simple, Stupid. The more you complicate things, the greater your chance of failure. In this arena, failure ALWAYS equals tragedy.
It is my sincere hope that tragedy can be averted for the good guys.
I'm not sure if I just pi**ed in anyone's Cheerio's, but I'd rather have you mad at me than dead. Good luck!
 

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I use a Fist K1 tuckable. Everything folks said here is true. Very slow to access, and a 2 handed draw is almost always required.

The advanteages is it's hidden. That's why I use it. People don't know I have a pistol. Most of my time I need to ahve a semformal outfit. I can't leave my shirt tail out.
 

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Gary: I generally agree with you, but in saying what you said, you bascially discount other forms of CCW like bellybands, fanny packs, SmartCarry etc.
 

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My primary holster is an IWB tuckable from TuckerGunleather. While it is true your speed is limited if you can't carry OWB it is the best thing going I feel. Like anything else, practice helps speed up the draw process. If you practice situational awareness and avoidence techniques hopefully you will have enough advance warrning to get at your gun before you are in trouble. Considering your everyday dress I don't see much in the way of options for you. Perhaps a shoulder holster.
 

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A shoulder holster is even worse for access then IWB. Gary's position, and I agree, is that OWB is faster and perhaps even safer.
Like everything each person must make a decision as to what's the best and practice....
 

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Well, Gary makes all great points and I agree with them. While my views on the subject are very close to his, I do realize that people are people and want what they want. Deep concealment is a compromise in more regards than gun access, presentation time and so on. You want a smaller/thinner/lighter gun, less ammo and grip size is typical and so on.

There are some rules I follow for carrying a gun.

First, "have one", never bring a knife to a gun fight.
Second, train, train and train more...if you carry tucked in, you had damn well better be good at it! Your life may depend on it!
Third, get good stuff...weapon, leather, knife, light etc....do skimp on what counts the most......
Forth, shoot the thing all of the time, this isnt training..you can take classes and practice draw until your arm falls off, but if you cant shoot your gun well...what is the point in having it. And so on.


Shoot well and God Bless
 

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I have one tuckable and luckily not a real expensive one i wanted to try and see if i like it all i will say is its the most uncomfortable POS to wear
 

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Well, all else considered there are times you may just have to have a tuckable option, generally dictated by your work environment, or dress requirements driven by some special event. I have the C.T.A.C holster that most of the time I use as a standard IWB with shirt not tucked in. But every now and then I want to wear a more dressy shirt/pants combo that dictates the shirt be tucked in, and so I do. It is a pain to get the shirt tucked in, but once in place conceals well. I agree though, it does slow down your draw. You just have to keep a higher level of awareness. So for me every now and then, I suck it up and tuck it in.
 

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Also the C.T.A.C.s have optional clips that have velcro on them. The other side of the velcro is sewn into the inside of a leather gun belt. They are supposed to be quite secure and offer the best use of the tuckable feature.
 

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I have the CTAC tuckable, and it concealed pretty well, but I found the kydex uncomfortable, so the rest of my IWB holsters are leather, including a VMII with tuckable clips (also kydex, also painful to me).

That said, I do sometimes use them when in the summer I have to have a tucked in shirt for the offices I work in. That said, I really Prefer OWB for comfort, accessability, draw speed etc.
 

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Hi All,

I fully realize that some folks must work in an office environment in which a cover garment is not an option. However, "there is more than one way to skin a cat". For such persons, the combination of an ankle rig and pocket holster is a VERY viable option - and significantly more "survivable" if you ever have to actually use it.
Again, I am not trying to offend anyone - I just feel that the whole "tuckable" thing is a really bad idea. I had stated that part yesterday, but I realized after the fact that I had not offered an alternative idea to solve the problem for all you folks that must dress in "office casual" attire.
 

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Gary hit upon the BEST option - sort of...

The BEST option for business dress in my opinion is a pocket holster AND either an ankle rig or a "tuck-able". (Gary seems to not like "tuckables" - and that is OK - but I view both tuckables and ankle rigs as viable options.)

Here is why - the pocket holster is the ONLY "deep concealment" gun that you can access with one hand while moving.

The ankle rig is a two hand operation - that can't really be done while moving to cover/concealment - and the "tuckable" rig takes two (or sometimes it seems three would be better!) hands - as stated above.

The problem for most is that a "pocket gun" is truely a "mouse caliber". Yeah - you can put a Glock 27or a Kahr in some front pockets - but the wieght and bulk preclude it from being used in most "business" environments. That leaves the .380 and lesser calibers.

SO - what I do - is carry a "mouse gun" in the pocket - and then the tuckable with a G23 - or an ankle rig with the G27 - depending upon a few factors, i.e. if I am giving presentations in front of a number of people - I will go with the ankle rig - cause I worry when I raise my arms that the shirt will "un-tuck" or that the gun will "print" - or they will see the slight bulge on my hip. It has never happened - but since it is a worry for me - I just carry in the ankle rig and not worry at all when in front of a group. If I am in the group - and not part of the presentation - I use the tuckable.

I *prefer* to carry my G23 "tucked" - cause it carries more rounds than my G27 on the ankle - but sometimes the ankle carry for my "big" caliber is best for me.

I view my "pocket" gun as what will allow me to "fight to my bigger gun", i.e. my mouse gun will give the ability to fight to somewhere where I can access my larger handguns.

Hope this helps,

cheers

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I carry IWB tucked in all the time. I practice all the time. IWB will never be as fast as OWB and thats where practice comes in to play. If you know what and who is around you your planning should more than make up for the time it takes to get you weapon in to play. In my future perfect world I will be able to carry in the open and there would not be a need for this thread. Oh well it my dream!
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I agree whole heartedly with Gary, to the degree that I have 3 of his Max Con V's. My alternative is pocket carry in a Sam Andrews pocket holster. As for firepower I carry a Kimber Ultra Carry II (3"in..
.45 ACP) my pocket. Size and weight are a negligible issue.
 

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Now here's a thought, some of us older types don't bend as well as we used to,so a ankle holster is out and if the pistol was of any size or weight, I'd be real easy to spot as I hobbled around with something strapped to my ankle. The Idea of a tuckable is for some of the times that you need to go somewhere not looking like you are on vacation. I understand the tapered tight fitting dress shirt is not going to work well. But a regular fitting shirt bloused a little just above your belt line. That is do-able. And yes it will be a slower draw, but that being said if I were in a position that I needed quick draw at all times. No way would I go tucked. This is for when you must be seen and not noticed. And on a final note don't swear off of the idea with just one try. I didn't like the tuckable option with the VMII, love it as a IWB though. It's just not designed as a true tuckable though. I'm looking foreward to getting my holsters in from Eric. You can see the thought and detail that goes into his holsters. IF they don't work as well for me as I think they will, well they are still nice IWB holsters. So I'm still happy.
 

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Bud White said:
I have one tuckable and luckily not a real expensive one i wanted to try and see if i like it all i will say is its the most uncomfortable POS to wear
Now Bud, could it be that it's a cheap POS is the reason that it's uncomfortable? :image035:
 
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