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Do we seriously think criminals are that stupid that they will fall for a distraction like throwing a wallet or yelling "look over there".

No they aren't Ivey league scholars, but this probably isn't their first crime. They grow up living in violence and crime. They are professionals. They've been in fights and possibly gun fights.

To think they have an iq of 12 and will fall for the wallet trick is silly.

Action always beats reaction. But the gun isn't always the solution.


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Do we seriously think criminals are that stupid that they will fall for a distraction like throwing a wallet or yelling "look over there".

No they aren't Ivey league scholars, but this probably isn't their first crime. They grow up living in violence and crime. They are professionals. They've been in fights and possibly gun fights.

To think they have an iq of 12 and will fall for the wallet trick is silly.

Action always beats reaction. But the gun isn't always the solution.


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My Elvis response was sarcasm. Sorry if it didn't come through that way.
 
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Do we seriously think criminals are that stupid...
Well, I realize that there ARE criminal masterminds ('cuz I watch Blacklist) :image035: . Yet viewing the news and reading some of the featured threads here at DC, I'm confident that we're smarter than...MOST of 'em! :yup:
 

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observe, act on how the situation dictates,. these scenarios are so complex and different that any advice could be fatal.
there isn't any situation in which I could tell,. like,. if "A" happens you do "B,C,D" and all is good.. thats wishful thinking!
 

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I don't like a lot of these "what if" situations because they might have a person thinking when they should be acting. The first thing that you are saying is that you failed to see a bad situation unfolding around you so you need to work on your awareness. Then if you do see something that looks like a dangerous situation about to happen you want to try to stay out of the way. I would be looking for cover while I tried to move around the corner or away or something. Then if they come after me they would be facing a fight because I don't intend to be at the mercy of a thug. It only takes a fraction of a second to draw the gun from my front pocket and start firing so they would have to be in a better mindset than I am or they are going to lose. I am not anxious for a gun battle but I try to stay in the proper mindset just in case. I don't carry a gun for somebody to walk up and take it away from me. If I didn't think that I could defend myself with the gun I wouldn't be carry it.
 

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If I didn't think that I could defend myself with the gun I wouldn't be carry it.

In EVERY scenario?

IMO, far too many people think all they need is a gun and they can solve every problem by being guncentric.
 

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If I didn't think that I could defend myself with the gun I wouldn't be carry it.

In EVERY scenario?

IMO, far too many people think all they need is a gun and they can solve every problem by being guncentric.
That, combined with Dunning-Kruger is a recipe for disaster.
 

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If I didn't think that I could defend myself with the gun I wouldn't be carry it.

In EVERY scenario?

IMO, far too many people think all they need is a gun and they can solve every problem by being guncentric.
Yes! and some people think that they are the only ones who know anything about guns or anything else. I read a bunch of your lame replies further up the page so you really don't impress me a lot with your B.S either. You don't impress me with your stupid vocabulary or anything else.
 

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Yes! and some people think that they are the only ones who know anything about guns or anything else. I read a bunch of your lame replies further up the page so you really don't impress me a lot with your B.S either. You don't impress me with your stupid vocabulary or anything else.
Opinions vary, :wink:
 

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I was driving down a parking lot going to the car wash, when a BIG tricked out big-wheel Jeep (like the Bigfoot Truck) came around the corner of the lot and started toward me. I was about 200 yards from them. Then the guy gunned it and his wheels wobbled. He was racing another guy in such a giant-tired truck from Home Depot to the intersection. But when he gunned it the tires wobbled and it looked like he was about to 'roll it' and it would have rolled into me. I did NOTHING. Just stared at it.

Now, had I been ALONE, i'd have done a quick right angle or just veered through the parking spaces which were pretty clear but I had the girl-friend in the car and she'd have started screaming like a banshee.

But it would have been a real 'death-event' for me/us.

If I'd had a dash-cam, I'd have gone to the cops.

The key here is that there are times when all the tactical know-how evades you. If it's not internal 'roadblocking', or cultural blocking, or situational blocking it's 'deer-in-the-headlights' time, it's something else you could not have anticipated (maybe a little kid standing in the way).

All those who think they'll 'Bruce Lee' the BG, and there are some who might be able to pull it off half the time, the others might be deluding themselves. I'll tell you this. If you're over THIRTY years old, forget it. You are slow as molasses and just don't know it. In fact I'll say over 25. That's when the synapses start degrading.

The truth is, you're ambushed and 95% of the time you die. The other 5% you think you died but miraculous things happened. So posting videos about 'planning' might work for a tiny, tiny fraction, even a tiny fraction of those with Usain Bolt reflexes.

The 'way' is to not be there. The 'way' is to gain time, distance and cover.

...and of course, always wear tactical 'anti-girlfriend-shrieking' ear plugs 24/7. :wink:
 

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If some nervous junky is standing there with a gun in my face, I don't think it would wise to make any quick moves. Unless he gives me some indication that he plans on killing witnesses, I'm just going to give him my wallet and be a good witness. Most bad guys just want the money and don't want to risk a first degree murder conviction for $100. If they have any experience at all, they're not going to get within arms length.
 
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If this were a forum about home security I would be making comments about home security. But somebody would think that my only means of protection would be security systems. So if I give my opinion on here about how I feel about carrying a gun then I would think that it would be respected for what it is. Take it or leave it.
 

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If some nervous junky is standing there with a gun in my face, I don't think it would wise to make any quick moves. Unless he gives me some indication that he plans on killing witnesses, I'm just going to give him my wallet and be a good witness. Most bad guys just want the money and don't want to risk a first degree murder conviction for $100. If they have any experience at all, they're not going to get within arms length.
Though I respect your comments, Rhino, I don't think any of us know what the modern BG wants. The makers of oxy and meth have taken care of that paradigm. BGs do not fear consequences. Recidivism rates show that punishment is not a deterrent. The true NPD, Psychopathic criminal does not believe they will ever get caught. Those with 'NPD-tendencies' are cowards and just talk big. Too bad they don't come with labels.

The key is to have some skill, to have some experience, to work internal and external training and then you will have at least some hope. It's not in the intricate specifics, it's in the broad sweeping things. 'SD advice' that does not work for your 18 year old daughter is worthless' (the 'first be Bruce Lee' conundrum).

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If some nervous junky is standing there with a gun in my face, I don't think it would wise to make any quick moves. Unless he gives me some indication that he plans on killing witnesses, I'm just going to give him my wallet and be a good witness. Most bad guys just want the money and don't want to risk a first degree murder conviction for $100. If they have any experience at all, they're not going to get within arms length.
I'm in more danger letting the nervous junkie muzzle me [ due to the very real possibility it goes off unintentionally ] than taking it from him if it's within reach. As BBob mentioned, it requires very good hand speed and coordination. The more of both, the better.

Others would likely be in more danger attempting to take it from the nervous junkie.
 

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Yes! and some people think that they are the only ones who know anything about guns or anything else. I read a bunch of your lame replies further up the page so you really don't impress me a lot with your B.S either. You don't impress me with your stupid vocabulary or anything else.
Which replies are you referring to?
 

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Though I respect your comments, Rhino, I don't think any of us know what the modern BG wants. The makers of oxy and meth have taken care of that paradigm. BGs do not fear consequences. Recidivism rates show that punishment is not a deterrent. The true NPD, Psychopathic criminal does not believe they will ever get caught. Those with 'NPD-tendencies' are cowards and just talk big. Too bad they don't come with labels.

The key is to have some skill, to have some experience, to work internal and external training and then you will have at least some hope. It's not in the intricate specifics, it's in the broad sweeping things. 'SD advice' that does not work for your 18 year old daughter is worthless' (the 'first be Bruce Lee' conundrum).

FWIW.
I've had some training in disarming someone, but it's been many years since I practiced.

As I said, you have to assess each situation. If the guy appears to be unstable and if he's within reach, you might be able to disarm him. It's worth a try if you think you're going to get shot anyway.

I watched forensic show yesterday where a bad guy walked into a convenience store at 4:00 a.m. and robbed it. The clerk cooperated and didn't look directly at him during the robbery. When she got the $450 from the cash register and handed it to him, he took a step back and shot her in the head and killed her. He almost got away with it until they matched his weapon to one used in an earlier robbery.
 

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I've had some training in disarming someone, but it's been many years since I practiced.

As I said, you have to assess each situation. If the guy appears to be unstable and if he's within reach, you might be able to disarm him. It's worth a try if you think you're going to get shot anyway.

I watched forensic show yesterday where a bad guy walked into a convenience store at 4:00 a.m. and robbed it. The clerk cooperated and didn't look directly at him during the robbery. When she got the $450 from the cash register and handed it to him, he took a step back and shot her in the head and killed her. He almost got away with it until they matched his weapon to one used in an earlier robbery.
That's the nightmare we face, if we relent to their demands and don't take charge of our own destinies.
 

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a lot of times they hold the gun in retention and use their other hand to grab loot, pat you down, and keep you at distance.

Please explain how, if one is patting you down, in anyone's imagination, they are "at distance"? Unless you mean touching distance. Touching distance is inner circle, enter mine at your own risks if you are threatening my life in any way.
There is a good 3 feet of distance between sticking your gun out in your strong hand vs using your off-hand and keeping the gun tucked in by your ribs. If you've ever done any boxing or had any kind of martial arts training, you should realize that's quite a big difference.
 
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