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I admit it, I'm "spooked" a bit

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The latest series of mass shootings has me spooked a bit.

It seems like we, as a culture, are unraveling at a breakneck pace. Each mass shooting seems to be the "go" signal for the next nutjob to go try and kill as many innocent people as possible.

This has led me this week, to spend some time re-evaluating my carry pattern. I recently picked up a nice SIG 239 in .357 SIG. It's metal, it's DA/SA, and it's slim (like a 1911), making it easy to carry and conceal as we roll into warmer weather. But it's also only 7+1.

I'm strongly considering going back to my P320 or P229 (both in .357 Sig) for my normal carry when we leave our ranch to go to the city for shopping, primarily for increased mag capacity.

Yes, I know.... the possibility of needing the extra capacity for an active shooter is pretty remote, but......
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Ya gotta do I what makes you feel safe.

I’d feel capable with a k frame or 1911, which I would prefer, but with working 8-12 or more hours a day, a j frame in the pocket and a PPS M2 with a seven round magazine is something I can carry all day without fatigue, conceals excellent, and I feel is up to anything I need doing except a full on armed invasion.
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It's a sad commentary on the state of our society, but these days if my wife and I go anywhere more than a few miles from home, I carry something with more than just 5 or 6 shots on tap.
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I think Yeats sumed it up

"Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity."

The world is unwinding mortality , kindness are all taking a backseat to blood fueled immorality and kill counts .Blood for the Blood gods as WH40K fans would say . No more repercussion for actions , nothing matters as long as you call some one the right pronoun etc


Things are going to be a ride is all I can say

Frankly me I would look at getting a backpack or carry bag with armor plate in it

I mean look at the recent attack .. No warning one min you walking on a nice day next thing guy pulls up and start firing ..Lets not forgot it was a gun free zone ...

Lesson here is have you head on a turning and be ready for anything ....
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If I have to up my game to go buy milk, it will be an AR with a chest full of mags. I'm sure that will go over well.
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I am with you I no longer carry any Firearm with less than 12 rounds. Almost always have Spare MAG, more for the issue with Mag failure to feed, than needing 26-36 rounds

All about can I carry , conceal easily, so that I will carry it, and only I will know. Not advertisement to shoot me first if they are looking to cause trouble.
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The latest series of mass shootings has me spooked a bit.

It seems like we, as a culture, are unraveling at a breakneck pace. Each mass shooting seems to be the "go" signal for the next nutjob to go try and kill as many innocent people as possible.

This has led me this week, to spend some time re-evaluating my carry pattern. I recently picked up a nice SIG 239 in .357 SIG. It's metal, it's DA/SA, and it's slim (like a 1911), making it easy to carry and conceal as we roll into warmer weather. But it's also only 7+1.

I'm strongly considering going back to my P320 or P229 (both in .357 Sig) for my normal carry when we leave our ranch to go to the city for shopping, primarily for increased mag capacity.

Yes, I know.... the possibility of needing the extra capacity for an active shooter is pretty remote, but......
I've carried heavy more than not since the late 60s...there have been many examples through the years to show how more than "normal" might be required...and I've been determined not to come up short...not to run dry and maybe even have some to share iff'n be...but that's not my ace card.

Extra mags or speed strips don't weigh that much...a backup's worth the hassle even if you only use it to protect one life one time. Each of us has a mind to make up...our own...others may opine but nobody makes that important a decision for me....nor can I for them.

The roller coaster's pickin' up speed for sure...he who stirs knows he has but a short time to stir left...and he's hot!

That doesn't change the outcome a whit, though. We have help to get through this time of chaos and the outcome's already decided...I pity those who try to make it on only their own strength/wit/wisdom...it takes more than we are.
Tell 'em the good news every chance...it won't be on CNN.
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The latest series of mass shootings has me spooked a bit.

It seems like we, as a culture, are unraveling at a breakneck pace. Each mass shooting seems to be the "go" signal for the next nutjob to go try and kill as many innocent people as possible.

This has led me this week, to spend some time re-evaluating my carry pattern. I recently picked up a nice SIG 239 in .357 SIG. It's metal, it's DA/SA, and it's slim (like a 1911), making it easy to carry and conceal as we roll into warmer weather. But it's also only 7+1.

I'm strongly considering going back to my P320 or P229 (both in .357 Sig) for my normal carry when we leave our ranch to go to the city for shopping, primarily for increased mag capacity.

Yes, I know.... the possibility of needing the extra capacity for an active shooter is pretty remote, but......
I agree that we as a civilization are unravelling but, at the same time I have a peace about not going down the rabbit hole either.
Everywhere I turn there are doom sayers and fear mongers and that is not saying they are not correct it's just saying I am not playing the prepper or living in fear game. I carry either 5 or 6 rounds of 38 special and leave the rest to Gods plan for me.
I have been pretty successful my whole life about avoiding stupid places and stupid people, so I am staying with that method more than hardware but, I get your concern and I am not making light of it. You have to do what you personally feel is right and prudent for your life.
I have been much less inclined to participate in caliber, capacity, muzzle energy, stopping power threads unless it's just to call BS on someone's rant about so many of us "trying to get killed" because of what hardware we carry.
I should avoid doing that as well, truth be told, but there are new folks who need to hear the other side of some of these arguments.
Carry what makes you comfortable in your self-defense because that is really all that matters besides commitment to use it and fundamental skills which I have no doubt you have already.
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++Spare mags!

First mag gets burned through quickly to gain fire superiority!

Only half kidding…only half!
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The Carson City IHOP mass shooting was the one that spooked me, and got me focused on going long with my carry guns. Twelve years later, I still carry to go long.
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Texas Tower shooting woke me up and made me set my jaw...never been the same calm, unconcerned ambivilante since...things like that have been more and more since then...seems like everyone oughta be awake nowadays...but I hear snorin' now and then.
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I recently attended a folk music festival at a metro park in Columbus, Ohio. It was about a mile down the park lane from a main entrance. There were upwards of 500 people there for the main attraction Saturday night, all crowded together in lawn seating.

There was not a cop in sight, no security present and no medical response on site. Lots of volunteers directing entry and exit, manning info booths, and doing associated tasks, but zero concern for safety and security.

It's not the mass shootings that have me spooked, but rather the oblivious sheeplehood of the victim pools.
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It was the San Bernardino office party shooting that got me to investigating conceal carry. It struck a chord for some reason. I subsequently got my permit and bought a handgun.

There have seemed to be a lot of mass shootings in recent months.
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In the most recent mass shootings, when the good guy with a gun showed up (cop or ccw), how many went more than a few rounds? Dicken, but he might have been able to stop earlier. Most ended pretty quickly.
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Texas Tower shooting woke me up and made me set my jaw...never been the same calm, unconcerned ambivilante since...things like that have been more and more since then...seems like everyone oughta be awake nowadays...but I hear snorin' now and then.
Unfortunately, the concept of civilians being armed and fighting back was quickly lost. Now it would be a week of debating "What Ifs" while the killings continued.
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The latest series of mass shootings has me spooked a bit.

It seems like we, as a culture, are unraveling at a breakneck pace. Each mass shooting seems to be the "go" signal for the next nutjob to go try and kill as many innocent people as possible.

This has led me this week, to spend some time re-evaluating my carry pattern. I recently picked up a nice SIG 239 in .357 SIG. It's metal, it's DA/SA, and it's slim (like a 1911), making it easy to carry and conceal as we roll into warmer weather. But it's also only 7+1.

I'm strongly considering going back to my P320 or P229 (both in .357 Sig) for my normal carry when we leave our ranch to go to the city for shopping, primarily for increased mag capacity.

Yes, I know.... the possibility of needing the extra capacity for an active shooter is pretty remote, but......
But you are in Montana..... all 50 other people carry guns too.
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I have been spooked since 1980 when I started studying people like Carlos the jackal.
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As much as I don’t like Amazon or Bezo for political reasons, I’ll order just about all I can from Amazon or Ebay, usually Ebay cause I believe that some of the money goes to American’s. I do check the USA box, but do realize that is no guarantee. Either way, I’m much safer in my PJ’s in my lazy boy ordering than going into a store.

*We backed the shopping down to less times, just try to get all we can in one trip. The distance alone makes us do that to save on gas anyway since we live so far out. Yeah, sad but we may need security vest - cannot convince my better half yet but it’s on my radar. LIke, is it that bad yet? I don’t know, any at all isn’t good.
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About a month ago, my wife, toddler son and I were walking in our neighborhood. I wasn’t carrying at the time - it’s an affluent neighborhood and the only occasional crime we have is some teenager getting caught with pot. I know I should always carry, but I wasn’t in this instance.

As we rounded the corner we got about 30 feet up the next street and I heard 5-6 “pops”. It sounded like gun shots. I yelled down to a neighbor standing near the house where it appeared to come from (about 200 ft from me) and asked him if that was gun shots we heard. He shrugged and went to look at the front of the house. When he got in front of it, we heard one more “pop” and he yelled “oh my God, call 911”.

I screamed at my wife and son to take off running back home. At this point I was closer to the house and about 30 feet in front of my family. We sprinted home - about a quarter mile - and when I was safely in my garage with the door closed I called 911. They had already dispatched the police.

The neighborhood spent the rest of the evening wondering if a crazed shooter was on the loose. The city won‘t use their emergency system for stuff like this (once weather events). I have asked our mayor to consider it.
What happened was a double murder suicide - the first few shots were a thirty something son killing his dad and stepmom. The final shot was him killing himself. After researching this, it appears the dad was into young girls and had assaulted multiple family members. The victims waited too long to report it and the statute of limitations ran out.
The son was carrying out justice on his own.

This rattled me like nothing ever has. And I’ve not left the house without a gun since.

Fast forward to last Saturday - that outlet mall is about 7 miles from me and even though I wasn’t there, it brought back the feelings I has in my neighborhood that evening.
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I try not to overthink things because there have been mass shootings going on for years. Sometimes they come in bunches. Sometimes they are spaced out over time. All one can do is train, practice, and have a gun in which you are proficient.
My EDC has evolved over the years from a Kahr K9 (8 rounds) to an Smith and Wesson M & P 9 2.0 Compact (15 rounds) to a Smith and Wesson Shield Plus (13 rounds). The Shield Plus is as thin as the single stack K9 and has only 2 less rounds than the 2.0 Compact. It weighs less than either of them. It is the gun that I shoot the best.
What I carry is based upon the activities of the day. If I am in a supermarket, big box store, or house of worship, I will have the Shield Plus, two spare 13 round magazines and sometimes a j frame. If I am out walking for exercise on the nature trail, just the j frame. I play the percentages the best I can while trying to enjoy life to the fullest.
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