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Ok my name is Christian I live in Florida, I am new here and hope you guys can help me not sure if I posted this on the right place, but anyway here we go, Im 20 I have been working security sense I was 18, I got my D= Security Officer license and my G= Statewide Firearm license wish is to work arm as a security officer, right know im not working arm because I don’t have a gun, but there’s a arm position open and I want to get it so I can start making more money and pay my studies and become a police officer, now here is the problem im not 21 yet for another year, but my aunt she got here concealed weapon license and she tell me I can give here the money and she can get it for me new for a good price, but here are my questions…?

(1)If she buy the gun under her name how can she transfer the gun under my name, that the gun would be %100 my responsibility because she is rely strict and I know that after I have it on my hands she don’t want nothing to do with it?

(2)And, can I carry the gun in my car always or im only allow carrying the gun to work and from work?

(3)Can the gun be loaded wend is on my glove compartment in my car?

(4)And, if is on my car loaded inside the glove compartment do I have to keep it inside a case or something

Pleas hope u can help THANKS
 

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I am not an attorney and I'm sure people will chime in and correct me if I am wrong, but in my opinion, what you are suggesting is what is called a "Straw Man Purchase" and it is highly illegal.

You are giving a person (in this case, you aunt) money to buy a gun in that persons name (your aunt) for the express purpose of transferring it to someone who is not authorized to buy it legally on their own. Federal law expressly prohibits any licensed firearm dealer from selling a handgun to a person under age 21.

It is a crime, it is punishable by a fine and imprisonment and it will ruin any chance you ever hoped of becoming a police officer, ccw permit holder or owning any firearms at all in the future since it is a felony.


Btw... Welcome from The Great State of Missouri You've come to the right place to learn answers to your questions and give your input. Looking forward to seeing you around the forum!

 

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Ok well I don't rely understand this, because is the same way as buying it from a private sealer, wish is a %100 legal in the state of Florida the only reason I want to do it like this is because the I don’t know no body selling the specific gun im looking for and if I buy it I want it to be new, In other words is going to be a completely private sale like she buy it and use it and then sell it to me, I don’t now if im explaining my self right
 

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Doesn't matter, it's illegal to purchase a gun if you are under 21, and illegal to sell a gun to anyone who is under the age of 21. Could be the end of your law enforcement career goals, breaking the law that is.
 

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Ok well I don't rely understand this, because is the same way as buying it from a private sealer, wish is a %100 legal in the state of Florida the only reason I want to do it like this is because the I don’t know no body selling the specific gun im looking for and if I buy it I want it to be new, In other words is going to be a completely private sale like she buy it and use it and then sell it to me, I don’t now if im explaining my self right
As you correctly state, you can buy a handgun from a private seller right now.

However, if your aunt signs the 4473 saying she is the "actual buyer" under the scenario you laid out, two things happen:

1. She commits a serious federal felony.
2. You commit a criminal act by conspiring with your aunt to commit the above mentioned federal felony.

It might not make sense, but that's how the law is written, and the ATF really doesn't care why a straw purchase occurs. They treat them all the same.

Keep shopping the private seller market (try floridashootersnetwork.com), and perhaps you'll have to buy a decent first firearm that isn't the one you ultimately want.

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Oh, and let me add that being in Florida, you should definitely get a copy of Florida Firearms by Jon Gutmacher.

Florida Firearms -- Law, Use & Ownership BOOK FOR SALE by Author JON H. GUTMACHER, Esq.

Everything you ever wanted to know about firearms laws in Florida - and more - is covered in that book. Several police academies in Florida use it as a textbook.

It will be the best $40 you ever spend as a gun owner in Florida.

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I didn't notice the other questions, when I initially read the post.

(2)And, can I carry the gun in my car always or im only allow carrying the gun to work and from work?
You can carry a firearm in your car most of the time. There are some places that you cannot have a firearm in your car, such as:

- Federal installations
- Tribal lands
- School property (unless you have a CWFL)

(3)Can the gun be loaded wend is on my glove compartment in my car?

(4)And, if is on my car loaded inside the glove compartment do I have to keep it inside a case or something

Pleas hope u can help THANKS
The firearm in your car must be "securely encased" and "not readily accessible for immediate use".

In practical terms, this means it must be in an enclosed container that the gun cannot be fired through (like a paper bag). Your closed glovebox is fine. See Gutmacher, pages 77-80 for an exhaustive discussion of what constitutes "securely encased".

Important note - if you keep it in your glove box, and are stopped by the police, do not be digging through your glove box when the officer comes to the door......

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I can't add anything to what the others have covered regarding legal issues in this thread. My suggestion is not pertinent to the questions you have asked but might be of use to you since you mentioned studying to be a police officer. Much of police work involves reporting, (writing reports). I suggest you brush up on your grammar, punctuation and spelling. It will allow you to better present yourself in job searches and will help you on any job you might get.
 

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I am not an attorney and I'm sure people will chime in and correct me if I am wrong, but in my opinion, what you are suggesting is what is called a "Straw Man Purchase" and it is highly illegal.

You are giving a person (in this case, you aunt) money to buy a gun in that persons name (your aunt) for the express purpose of transferring it to someone who is not authorized to buy it legally on their own. Federal law expressly prohibits any licensed firearm dealer from selling a handgun to a person under age 21.

It is a crime, it is punishable by a fine and imprisonment and it will ruin any chance you ever hoped of becoming a police officer, ccw permit holder or owning any firearms at all in the future since it is a felony.


Btw... Welcome from The Great State of Missouri You've come to the right place to learn answers to your questions and give your input. Looking forward to seeing you around the forum!
You are correct sir. The OP risks fines for him and his Aunt of up to $250,000 plus up to 10 years in prison. Not to mention the loss of all gun rights for the remainder of their lives. Straw purchases are not a wise idea.
 

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I can't add anything to what the others have covered regarding legal issues in this thread. My suggestion is not pertinent to the questions you have asked but might be of use to you since you mentioned studying to be a police officer. Much of police work involves reporting, (writing reports). I suggest you brush up on your grammar, punctuation and spelling. It will allow you to better present yourself in job searches and will help you on any job you might get.
I was thinking the exact same thing. If this is your standard use of the English language you might have trouble getting the job in the first place.

Like they said this is not just a private sale. This is your aunt purposefully purchasing a firearm to sell to somebody who can't purchase one. That's the reality of the situation. Very illegal.
 

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I was thinking the exact same thing. If this is your standard use of the English language you might have trouble getting the job in the first place.

Like they said this is not just a private sale. This is your aunt purposefully purchasing a firearm to sell to somebody who can't purchase one. That's the reality of the situation. Very illegal.
Listen to all this good advice. I have a son-in-law currently in a police academy in the eastern US. An investment in a solid remedial English class will serve your career plans MUCH better than a handgun right now.
 

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Listen to all this good advice. I have a son-in-law currently in a police academy in the eastern US. An investment in a solid remedial English class will serve your career plans MUCH better than a handgun right now.
:yup:

As far as the gun issue. I'm not going to answer that because it's already been addressed.

I'm a horrible speller, and need all the help I can get. Spelling is more important than a gun. Of course that only holds true until you need a gun. Then, after the gun part, spelling is more important again.

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Why would any one even bring up the OP's grammatical errors or spelling errors? I am sure that if he has difficulty with the English language he knows it already and while it is helpful to have perfect grammar and spelling it is not necessary to be successful in life.

It OP specifically asked a gun law related question and I find it rude and unnecessary to point out grammatical issues unrelated to the question.
 

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Why would any one even bring up the OP's grammatical errors or spelling errors? I am sure that if he has difficulty with the English language he knows it already and while it is helpful to have perfect grammar and spelling it is not necessary to be successful in life.

It OP specifically asked a gun law related question and I find it rude and unnecessary to point out grammatical issues unrelated to the question.
It is brought up because of the importance of spelling in the OP's choice of occupations.

Call it what you will, but it is helpful advice from some of us that actually have to write reports and such. Sometimes you get more than you asked for, as in this case.

Look at it like this:
If your neighbor asked you for help fixing his door, and while doing so you noticed that his kitchen was on fire, wouldn't you mention it to him?

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Form 4473

12. Answer questions 12a through 12l by writing “yes” or “no” in the boxes to the right of the questions.

Certification Of Transferee
a. Are you the actual buyer of the firearm(s) listed on this form? Warning: You are not the actual buyer if you are acquiring
the firearm(s) on behalf of another person. If you are not the actual buyer, the dealer cannot transfer the firearm(s) to
you. (See Important Notice 1 for actual buyer definition and examples.)

From the back of form 4473

1. For purposes of this form, you are the actual buyer if you are purchasing the firearm for yourself or otherwise acquiring the firearm for yourself (for example, redeeming the firearm from pawn/retrieving it from consignment). You are also the
actual buyer if you are acquiring the firearm as a legitimate gift for a third party. ACTUAL BUYER EXAMPLES: Mr. Smith asks Mr. Jones to purchase a firearm for Mr. Smith. Mr. Smith gives Mr. Jones the money for the firearm. Mr. Jones is NOT the actual buyer of the firearm and must answer “no “ to question 12a. The licensee may not transfer the firearm to Mr. Jones. However, if Mr. Brown goes to buy a firearm with his own money to give to Mr. Black as a present, Mr. Brown is the actual buyer of the firearm and should answer “yes” to question 12a.

Wait till you turn 21 and then buy your own gun. There will be other job openings.
 

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Why would any one even bring up the OP's grammatical errors or spelling errors? I am sure that if he has difficulty with the English language he knows it already and while it is helpful to have perfect grammar and spelling it is not necessary to be successful in life.

It OP specifically asked a gun law related question and I find it rude and unnecessary to point out grammatical issues unrelated to the question.
Please re-read the posts. The advice was given in the spirit of helping a kid who aspires to a police career to understand one of the realities of getting the job and performing well on that job. Nothing rude or mean spirited intended here. Many of us could use some improvement in spelling and grammar. What's wrong with the truth?
 

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I was hesitant to bring up grammar, spelling and punctuation in this thread because I am not here to judge peoples grasp of the English language and writing skills as it pertains to forum postings on the internet.

However, since it has been brought up as what does that have to do with someone wanting a career in law enforcement I will respond.

Right or wrong, good or bad, people's competency frequently get judged by others based solely on how educated one perceives that person to be.

It is a fact that people are allowed to graduate high school these days on a 4th or 5th grade reading level. In fact, just this past summer, one of our local television news agency did a story about colleges in the area are finding it extremely difficult educating new college students at the collegiate level because so many incoming freshmen, who possess a high school diploma, yet can not read or write beyond a 5th grade level. Equally atrocious are their math skills. This is not hyperbole, it is fact!

Now, lets move to occupations in the public safety sector such as law enforcement and EMS. Every document or report, we write is a legal document. Any one of those documents or reports at anytime can find their way into a court room where someone's life and freedom are at stake as in a defendant facing being locked away for 35 years of their life. Or in the case of medical records being used in court where millions of dollars of monetary damages are awarded to a plaintiff.

Now you may be a crackerjack police officer with all the skills, training, knowledge and ability to perform the job of the ultimate super cop. Likewise for the paramedic or EMT.

But if your reports and documents reflect the education of someone who reads and writes on a 5th grade level, decisions will be made based on those perceptions when it comes to believing the competency of the person writing the report or medical record in question.

It it right? Who the hell cares! It is reality!

So welcome to the grown-ups world, boys and girls. I believe those who have pointed out a lacking in grammar and writing skills to the original poster, was not meant to demean or berate the poster in any way. They were presenting some real world pieces of advice for one who is wishing to pursue a career in law enforcement and not meant to offend the person.

It is not shameful or degrading to have suggested that one enroll in some remedial English or math classes prior to entering a career path.

If we didn't care about people and their future success, we wouldn't have broached the subject to begin with.
 

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Having had reports involved in court cases (none against me, happily), I can affirm what Bark'n is saying here - you will be judged on the quality of your written reports. I got a call a few months ago from the State's Attorney's office - they were looking into a case I ran over a decade ago. You definitely want a good report to fall back on for something like that.

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Sometimes you get more than you asked for, as in this case.

Look at it like this:
If your neighbor asked you for help fixing his door, and while doing so you noticed that his kitchen was on fire, wouldn't you mention it to him?

Biker
Please re-read the posts. The advice was given in the spirit of helping a kid who aspires to a police career to understand one of the realities of getting the job and performing well on that job. Nothing rude or mean spirited intended here. Many of us could use some improvement in spelling and grammar. What's wrong with the truth?
Exactly, but we don't need people telling us we need improvement in spelling and grammar everyday. We can know that all on our own.

There is nothing wrong with the truth but there sometimes is a wrong time to say it. You would go help with the door but even if it was the truth you wouldn’t tell your neighbor that he should paint his house a different color because it would make it easier to sell because he didn’t ask what would make it easier to sell, he asked for help with the door. He asked for advice on the gun issue not on the getting the job issue.

While I have been on this forum for years already I know that there was no malice intended but from a new comer’s perspective who may be having some difficulty with language it may appear rude to be given opinions and corrected on things that were never asked for.

Either way, lets move past my previous comment and refocus on the OP original question for help.
 

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I was hesitant to bring up grammar, spelling and punctuation in this thread because I am not here to judge peoples grasp of the English language and writing skills as it pertains to forum postings on the internet.

However, since it has been brought up as what does that have to do with someone wanting a career in law enforcement I will respond.

Right or wrong, good or bad, people's competency frequently get judged by others based solely on how educated one perceives that person to be.

It is a fact that people are allowed to graduate high school these days on a 4th or 5th grade reading level. In fact, just this past summer, one of our local television news agency did a story about colleges in the area are finding it extremely difficult educating new college students at the collegiate level because so many incoming freshmen, who possess a high school diploma, yet can not read or write beyond a 5th grade level. Equally atrocious are their math skills. This is not hyperbole, it is fact!

Now, lets move to occupations in the public safety sector such as law enforcement and EMS. Every document or report, we write is a legal document. Any one of those documents or reports at anytime can find their way into a court room where someone's life and freedom are at stake as in a defendant facing being locked away for 35 years of their life. Or in the case of medical records being used in court where millions of dollars of monetary damages are awarded to a plaintiff.

Now you may be a crackerjack police officer with all the skills, training, knowledge and ability to perform the job of the ultimate super cop. Likewise for the paramedic or EMT.

But if your reports and documents reflect the education of someone who reads and writes on a 5th grade level, decisions will be made based on those perceptions when it comes to believing the competency of the person writing the report or medical record in question.

It it right? Who the hell cares! It is reality!

So welcome to the grown-ups world, boys and girls. I believe those who have pointed out a lacking in grammar and writing skills to the original poster, was not meant to demean or berate the poster in any way. They were presenting some real world pieces of advice for one who is wishing to pursue a career in law enforcement and not meant to offend the person.

It is not shameful or degrading to have suggested that one enroll in some remedial English or math classes prior to entering a career path.

If we didn't care about people and their future success, we wouldn't have broached the subject to begin with.
Wish I could have said it as well Bark'n.
 
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