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ok the title is a cheater to draw you in but...

I know we come from all backgrounds from joe 6 pack ( me ) to attorneys so here is prob. my only what if post to the board .

You had to use your handgun / knife / nuculear chiwawa on someone , the police have been called , by you, or suzey q concernedcitizen walk me thro how YOU will handle the crime scene , witnesses , and officers when they make their belated appearance.

I am just curious as to folk's thoughts on this and please all lets ridicule NO ONE , this is for education not ego's

My background as an officer colors mine so i will wait to post it in the intrest of not colloring anyones posts but please all chime inn right or wrong all we can do is learn
 

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My opinion:

Keep your mouth shut. Don't run off at the mouth trying to defend yourself to "Barney Fife" (no offense LEOs). It's like begging forgiveness from the mailman. He can't grant you forgiveness.

Second, make sure the witnesses know what they saw, and/or stick around to provide statements. You don't want some anti-crazy head saying that you went around waving your gun.

Third, I guess it's moot to say "relax". There isn't a soul alive that could relax after something like this.
 

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Holster your gun, call 911, ask any witnesses to stay for the police to question, don't touch anything. When they arrive tell them no more than you were attacked and had to defend yourself but considering your state of mind under the circumstances you want to speak to an attorney before any police questioning. You do not consent to a search and you do not wave your rights. You want to speak to an attorney before any questioning of you and/or spouse.
 

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ok 11 views and two brave souls replied ,

Lets assume to YOU its a good shoot , no dobuts that you needed to dump the scrote ( a dirivitave of scroti~amerinaci~fungi ) its not like you need to run away , come on folks what would ya do
 

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Havegunjoe must have spoken to my lawyer...it's almost word for word what I was told to do if the situation arises.
 

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First after the shooting has stoped, call 911. The first person to call 911 usually gets to play the part of the victim in court. When the police arrive tell them that you were afraid for your life and that your a little too upset at this time to make a statement. Let them know that you wish to speak with a lawyer before making a statement. Remember the police are not there to be your friend, allthough thats what they will lead you to believe, they are there to collect evidence. This includes evidence that can be used against you. Now call a lawyer. Everyone should carry the Phone# of a good defense lawyer with them at all times. As far as the crime scene, the only thing Ill do is make sure no one walks off with the BG's weapon (gun/knife). If there are any whitnesess standing around I would tell then that everything is ok and that the police have been called.
 

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Trying not to be lazy here but yes, Joe pretty much nails it.

I am dead certain after such an event I will be jello - and would endevor to say the minumum. I also for sure would want any witnesses to stay put while I wait. My piece would be holstered at very first opportunity too.

As and when LE turns up I will be polite and say little, other than at most I was in fear of my life. All in all - this period of time would be a very stressful one, of that I am sure.
 

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come on ya new to ccw chime in , this is a no flame zone , part of ccw is the willingness and ability to use the weapon , yall gotta have an idea on this stuff , and here its no harm no fowl pierced jumped inn as a jr member of the board , i dont know nor do i care about his real world experiance , ( if the gods forbid ) the dice is rolled , and your number comes up , this thread isnt about how to survive the gunfight , other threads do that , this is about how do i handle myself and manage the aftermath , lets hear ya sound off

< edited to come in compliance on a fumble from " i dont no" to " i dont know " in accordance with " Mein dictionary " LOL , ps i can be shot at sunrise for the rest of it
 

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havegunjoe already posted why would have been my answer.

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come on ya new to ccw chime in , this is a no flame zone
If only that were 100% true.


I really don't have much to add, other than soiled undies, a full on coronary, or simply a good witness or 20 your best bet is to be completely honest, and keep your mouth shut until you see a lawyer.
 

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My plan for a shooting scenario

- Freak out
- Stop heart from beating
- Wet myself
- call 911, shaking
- Tell the cop I had to shoot him to save my life, and that I feel unwell and need to go to the hospital. No further statements to be made until after I speak to my lawyer.
- KEEP MOUTH SHUT - There is no way I can fully understand everything that went on, and I could make incriminating statements without realising that what I am saying is not true.

ie He had a knife, lunged at me, I shot him. Tunnel vision and memory problems, I tell the cop I don't remember what kind of weapon, if any, he had. I just admitted to shooting an unarmed man... I hope they don't discount the knife at the scene based upon me not remembering a weapon.
 

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Think its been nailed. Mouth shut, weapon holstered, call lawyer!
 

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Everything I've read or been taught says you should:
1. Call 911 to report shooting
2. tell arriving officer(s) that you were in fear for your life
3. you acted only to defend yourself
4. you prefer to talk to an attorney before saying anything else
5. keep your mouth shut until you speak to your lawyer

I'm assuming the BG is dead. If not, render assistance if possible.
 

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The one thing I have not seen covered here is how to treat the crime scene. My only thoughts on that are don't screw with it.
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"Preserving the scene," its good if you can do it, but note being an LEO, you don't have the power to do so.

On the other hand, I suspect that by this point in time, by-standers would not likely want to argue with the guy holding the gun.

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Once 9-1-1 and the police are notified and made sure there are no other BGs, I would if possible attempt to secure the BG weapon without touching it with my hands. The last thing I would want is a downed BG or someone else getting access to this weapon. Do what I can to keep as many witnesses around as possible without saying anything to them about what happened and keeping my mouth shut. Don't need any witnesses making staements on anything said afterwards or on something they thought they heard me say. Once the police arrive make sure to comply with their instructions and let them know I was in fear for my life and had to defend myself and wish to speak to an attorney before answering any questions.
 

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I agree with Joe.

I will add preserve the evidence. The goblins weapon etc... . Don't let anyone walk off with it.
 

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contingencies

Both in this thread and elsewhere "in fear of my life", "afraid for my life", and other similar justifying phrases are common.

Maybe the intent is to cite a reason specifically mentioned in the local self-defense laws.

Seems like trying to quote a correctly legal justification would be difficult, given that one might have the shakes and be unable to remember his own name at that point. The self-defense laws in my state don't mention "fear" or "afraid" anyway. Plus, I can see the possibility that if my statement is legally perfect and rehearsed, a DA or grand jury might decide the act was premeditated and not really self-defense. As long as the shooter doesn't say something totally stupid ("He gave me the finger so I blew him away"), I think facts would be more important than speeches.

So, to answer the original question posed in this thread, my general plan would involve
-making sure the threat ended
-reloading pistol in case additional threats arrive before police (that is the point of ccw, after all)
-holstering the pistol
-phoning 911
-waiting on the spot for the police
-disturbing the scene as little as possible to facilitate the forensic investigation
-striving to be calm and rational
-displaying empty hands when the police arrive.

Regarding witnesses, I would expect bystanders to quickly disappear when the shooting occurs.

I would try to speak coherently, but I can't predict any fine details in advance. There are innumerable possible contingencies:

If the injured attacker were still alive and had a weapon, I would move it out of his reach. If he were unconscious and gushing blood and I myself were not injured, I might try to stop the flow.

If I chose to speak, I would stick to statements of facts about the shooting. If the police Mirandized and arrested me I would say nothing.

The more I think about a self-defense shooting, the more I hate the idea. Any way you cut it, it would be a very bad event. I guess the only reason I do carry concealed is that being unarmed and victimized would be worse than any possible outcome of the self-defense shooting.
 

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Some have mentioned providing first aid to the downed attacker. While I agree with this from a moral perspective, I don't think placing yourself that close to someone who just convinced you that they were a deadly threat is a good idea. Remember, we're not talking about an injured Girl Scout here - your attacker just convinced you that you had no other choice but to defend yourself against a real and immediate threat with deadly force. If this person wanted to hurt me, I don't think shooting him would make him suddenly decide that I'm a nice guy. I would certainly ask the 911 dispatcher for an ambulance though.

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Several times in the above I have seen “reholster”.

OK I understand the need to not be waving a gun around. That would not be the image you would want to portray.

But what do you do when the first LEO arrives. Do you inform him you are carrying or just let him guess? Would it be better to be removed from your weapon when he arrives so as to not be considered a threat to the officer?
 
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